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so our guests the dark journalist is

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talking about mercury being in

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retrograde to explain all the word

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problems we're having we have a dryer

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that doesn't dry and a sink that leaks

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and we've got to service people trying

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to sort things out you know I haven't

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lived in any place in the last ten years

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that didn't within a week of moving in

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have a plumbing problem but this is not

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a problem for the dark journalist is it

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Daniel no no and actually you're in luck

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because mercury goes direct in about 24

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hours so you'll be all set so I'll wake

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up tomorrow morning and the dryer will

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dry and the sink won't leak things are

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gonna go better they're gonna go more

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smoothly there's no question about it I

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think even really hardcore skeptics of

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astrology except the Mercury retrograde

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factor just one of those things that

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always seems to pan out usually for

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worse not better I have to tell you that

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we're getting great reception the last

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week's appearance of doctor Jacques

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fillet on the power cast I'm gonna share

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with you one little insight kind of how

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Jacques is his personality he's got this

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sly sense of humor so he sent me this

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letter after the show was she really

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enjoyed by the way we have high hopes of

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having him back in the near future said

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the early Pulp guys the world war ii

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generation were a lot of fun they once

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had a contest to write the shortest

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amazing story

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so the winner wrote he crept into the

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valets senta yes he did he loves pop

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culture you see the everybody rags on me

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for having too much pop culture on this

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show and you bring shock on I assure you

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he's very very steeped in it yeah yeah

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yeah and that's that's for the for the

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best I guess I think one thing that's

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important is when you're talking about

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amazing stories and and fate magazine

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and and some of the the early men's pop

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magazines you know you can find and

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trace back where specific memes that are

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now very prevalent within these subject

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matters you can you can trace back where

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that where those memes started and and

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how they were disseminated and and you

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can also see the ones that didn't catch

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a hold into in the culture and and I

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think it's fascinating in that sense but

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for a listener hearing the same or

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similar stories over and over again

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especially are a long time loyal

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listeners who are listening to us every

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week it does get a little old I think

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it's important when you consider how the

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pop culture relates to the subjects we

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deal with and the perception yeah well

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it's very interesting about filler'

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though is he was in the close encounters

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movie we'd have to remember you know he

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was not that was not him oh it's not him

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no no that was that was Francois

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Truffaut right but the character he

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portrayed was based on a French UFO

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researcher but it was not shock filet

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now but here's what's interesting about

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it which is he's been around the block

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for a long time because that was 40

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years ago because we know they're coming

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out with the blockbuster reissue of

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Close Encounters right now actually so

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he's been in there he's been in the

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circuit he goes back to the John keel

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days so he goes back yeah back to the

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50s really he had his first what really

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got him jazzed on the subject was what

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later became the subject of army Michels

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book UFOs in the straight-line history

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which which influenced him greatly and

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also he was witness to a UFO sighting

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I think detected by instruments and he

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saw how the astronomers destroyed the

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evidence because it didn't conform with

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you know conventional rigid astronomical

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thinking and so that really intrigued

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him and he he and then of course France

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went on to have quite a wave of UFO

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activity in the mid fifties and so

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that's what really got him started in

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terms of his interests and then of

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course moving to the US and meeting

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heineken and getting involved you know

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with Project Blue Book peripherally

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obviously that that's where he cut his

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teeth and that his first book I think

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was in 64 co-written with his wife

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anatomy of a phenomenon which which I

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read is a little bit a little kid and so

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he's always been you know kind of a hero

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of mine I mentioned on the show that I'm

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not a fanboy by any stretch some very

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very few people that I would consider

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myself a fan of and he's one of them you

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know something very interesting Chris

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let me just mention this before we get

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into our guests and that is there is one

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person on YouTube who didn't really take

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to that the fact that you admire Jacques

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filet he thought you were engaged in

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this shameless self-promotion and I

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didn't get that at all I thought you

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were just sharing experiences because

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you and Jacques have areas where what

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you do and what you've done have really

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come together in different ways and I

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thought that was it just a couple of

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researchers sharing experiences but you

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know people see what they're gonna see

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in these things let's move to the dark

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journalists how does one become a dark

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journalist Daniel list that's a good

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question by the way love the term well

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it's interesting because you know I've

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always really been a dark journalists

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but I didn't do it publicly until about

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five years ago and really what it comes

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down to is I was seeing in mainstream

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media having been around it for

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while and you know worked as the editor

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of a tech journal for Apple technology

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and you know worked at The Wall Street

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Journal and I've been in this kind of

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mainstream media zone and I really saw

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how there were choke points for

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important stories that were coming out

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and you know he get up to a certain

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level you get it to a certain place and

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then something came in from the top down

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somewhere and just stopped that story so

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I was always interested in that aspect

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of mainstream media control but then I

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had a series of interests like you know

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I met John Mac in Cambridge back in the

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day which is where I live

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and I had a friend actually who was his

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assistant so I got a lot of inside Intel

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about what they were doing so a lot of

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little kind of things that just didn't

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fit into that mainstream world and I was

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thinking oh there's there's a second

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level of journalism here and the more I

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got into it the more I realized you know

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dark journalism is something that we

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really need because we certainly have

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some aspects of you know the official

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story coming out with mainstream media

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and that's really you know has been in

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this controlling zone for so long but

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then we look at something like

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conspiracy theory and some of the real

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information that has come forward out of

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there and there's there's varying

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degrees of it and right up there with

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conspiracy theories junk conspiracy so

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really if somebody goes and says well I

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don't want to deal with the official

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version of reality and what the

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mainstream media is teaching me and they

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turn and they look for conspiracy well

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you're going to get a lot of stuff there

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it's kind of like the Wild West

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so unfortunately mixed in with all the

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good solid research that you'll get from

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people who are authors professors and

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real researchers looking for the truth

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you'll get this other kind of engineered

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wing I call it third wave because you've

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got the official story and then you've

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got the conspiracy theory which is

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something that they you know they call

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conspiracy theory it's usually just a

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counter

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research theory about what actually

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happened that explores holes in the

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official narratives and so by the time

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you get into this third force this junk

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conspiracy we see a lot of intervention

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there by Intel sources and also a lot of

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organically crazy stories you know my

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favorite example is the driver shot JFK

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you know you know this is he didn't

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shoot JFK gee I've got to relearn

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everything I know

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Daniel it's is the dark journalist and

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dark journalist looking at the Avatar

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that people set for Skype or for a forum

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to see what's going on I see this guy in

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the dark blue sports jacket or suit with

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dark glasses are those your men in black

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glasses that's actually a picture of me

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it's the real thing those are some great

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glasses and that just happens to be one

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of those pictures somebody caught and I

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said this thing's fantastic even though

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it was pretty random it became kind of a

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little motif isn't as a matter of fact

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there's a guy that I know who designs

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movie sets he's out of Australia and he

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told me that's just a sensational thing

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that you did there but as it turns out

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it was totally random let's go back to

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the theories here no matter what happens

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when there's a major story like an

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assassination or tragedy like 9/11

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there's always an alternate theory not

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that the alternate theory isn't true but

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the conventional wisdom isn't belief yes

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what I found when I did deep research on

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this is that most and I would say 85% or

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more of the fundamental alternative

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research approach and a lot of the kind

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of concrete facts and counter reality

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that have been picked up in alternative

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research comes for work of Professor

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Peter Dale Scott over at Berkeley

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professor Scott has been writing about

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CIA drug running you know the JFK

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assassination the deep state

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9:11 and these things and he's you know

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puts together this deep research and he

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is sort of like a walking library

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himself because he can nest all these

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details and he was doing this research

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far before the internet or anything

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along that line but I found when working

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with his deep politics deep States type

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of theories that you know here's a

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complete academic who was a former

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Canadian diplomat teaching at Berkeley

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definitely on the left side of the

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spectrum and then you have all these

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right-wing style people like the Alex

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Jones people and all the stuff picking

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up on Bilderberg and all these things

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that he's done this incredible research

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on so it's very fascinating to me but

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when I think about the counter theory

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and the quality of people breaking

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through the mainstream media narratives

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and the official reality I go back to

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Professor Scott because it's that kind

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of caliber that attention to detail and

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that real responsible journalism that

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you know this is what we need an

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alternative media and unfortunately you

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get flooded with something very very

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different because so much of it is

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marketing driven or ego driven maybe

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downright disinfo at times as we found

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in the UFO field for sure and this is

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somebody who stays very

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behind-the-scenes and a lot of people

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haven't even heard of him but he really

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you know at 88 now he just did another

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book on the American deep State this is

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somebody who kind of exemplifies the

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type of thing I'd like to see in

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alternative research and the kind of

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thing I aspire to with it which is very

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careful very deep not intimidated by

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mainstream narratives but also not

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running away with theories down the

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football field just because there has to

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be in the mood that day I mean this is

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somebody who does the deep research and

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creates a foundation for the work that

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he puts out something that's really

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missing in independent journalism right

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now so it's missing in journalism period

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oh yeah you used to be able to rely on

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network news for instance on the

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television back on the the Walter

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Cronkite days and the Ed Wood

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Muro days you could pretty much take

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take it as gospel

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the types of coverage of stories of the

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day back then and of course leading up

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to and Watergate I think was a was

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probably the zenith of investigative

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journalism at least in this country and

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then everything started to get go

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downhill from absolutely you know you

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really you really see you know it's

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obvious with the conglomerates the big

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corporate interests buying up media

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outlets and I think there's what six

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major corporations now that pretty much

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control the oven flow of news and

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entertainment in this country they were

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big players around the world as well

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especially Hollywood but because of this

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entrenchment of power and lack of

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diversity in the media you're going to

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have more and more control exerted over

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the process and you're absolutely right

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it's really important for independent

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alternative journalists and journalism

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in general to continue carrying on the

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rich tradition of you know get diggin

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down and in getting down and dirty even

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you know where's where's the Gary Webb's

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of today for instance or the to any

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Castle arrow you could go down down the

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list of real whistleblowers than real

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journalists people who actually did

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reveal very important information about

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particular subjects in the case of Gary

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Webb of course the the cocaine shipments

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coming back from Nicaragua and then the

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Contras being armed with cocaine money

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and that sort of thing there's a whole

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show I think on AMC right now called

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snowfall which looks at that kind of in

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a fairly accurate historical sense but

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of course dramatized but I was really

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taken with your work recently on digging

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into the not only quarry good the

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alleged Martian time-traveling security

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guard but also the people around him it

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was very interesting to me because I was

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having to deal with one of those people

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right at the time that

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your information came out about this

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business partner of goods

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kind of weird checkered past oh yeah you

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know we can get into all that a little

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bit later when we start to drill down on

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specific examples of your work but but

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in general I totally agree and I you

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know the Internet is a good thing in one

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sense but it's sure you know it allows

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for an alternative voice in invest in

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investigations and research but man it's

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sure easy to muddy up the waters and

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really confuse people as well how do you

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separate the wheat from the chaff do you

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go with individuals in their work or you

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know give us give us uh your your litmus

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test for trusting sources and trusting

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you know the amount of time it's gonna

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take to track down information yeah well

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you mentioned time there and it is

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really important because you only have

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so much time to do this especially if

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you're independent so you you have to

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know your sources very well I also want

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to mention what you said there about

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journalism because it's really true I

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think the dissent you know the the real

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kind of plunge from responsible

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journalism and the mainstream happened

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because if you go back to the periods

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you're talking about like you can

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Watergate through say it ran contra

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there's a Bill Moyers special called the

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secret government which goes into a lot

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of the iran-contra aspects of selling

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drugs for the CIA and doing the drug

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running to raise funds to do these black

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projects that they were doing so you

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know I definitely think that what we're

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looking at is this kind of

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Disneyfication of the media where it

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became from what I understand the news

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aspect of a channel didn't really make

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money in those days it was there is you

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it was something like a public service

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in a sense but I do think there was also

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a control factor that was exhibited

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there but what happened I think as we

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got into later periods is you know the

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news that became entertainment let's

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break it here we've got more to come

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with the dark journalists and Jean and

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author of the poor vans paranormal and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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I'm hoping here that in our next segment

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Chris is going to give us a dark

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journalist sound Daniel lists is the

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dark journalist we're talking about

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alternative stuff but when we do this we

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have to separate having an alternate

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theory of something or information that

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doesn't really get general circulation

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and outright fake news where people just

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make it up we've always had that but it

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became something in vogue during the

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presidential campaign largely because it

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seemed to be very well organized this

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time yeah it's become an art form now

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and everybody is so gun-shy the networks

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the networks don't know how to handle

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someone like a Donald Trump and so

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they're just they're just I think

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slinging from the hip and this is a

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really good opportunity I think Daniel

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and you like once your thoughts on this

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the way the media is handling president

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and his decision-making and the people

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around him or the comings and goings of

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people around him it's I think it's

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giving us a window into some of the at

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least in the network news departments

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some of the editorial slant that goes on

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because when you watch Fox News cover an

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event and or some faux pas of his and

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then you you watch MSNBC or CNN or

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somebody did the slant is a lot more

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apparent than it used to be I think it's

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more polarized do you are you seeing

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this as well well there's no question

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and I think the alternative media was a

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major part of Trump's victory actually

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in 2016

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really what they wanted to do from the

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mainstream angle was just make Clinton

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the shoo-in that was just it that was

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their whole mission and they threw all

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their own integrity out the window what

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was left of it but they were so biased

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the polls were so biased and that they

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got the stories so wrong they didn't get

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it wrong they didn't want to look at

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what was happening because really Trump

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was such a wild card and Trump having

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taken over the Republican Party the way

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that he did was really largely

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independent he was self-funded which is

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a big deal in those circles we

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we see very few candidates like that you

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know maybe Ross Perot and JFK political

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buy play to the minimum I want to focus

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more on the news coverage and how it

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gets slanted so we can look into our

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subjects oh yeah yeah absolutely well I

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would say as far as the mainstream media

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was concerned it was a get Trump that's

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really where they were coming from when

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I think about Trump and what he brought

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out and what he was doing

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you know let's look at 2012 if you look

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at 2012 and how the media covered it it

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was Romney versus Obama and they talked

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about Medicaid and they talked about

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Russia and they talked about foreign

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policy and defense spending if you go

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into the 2016 election between Clinton

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and Trump Trump was bringing up

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everything from autism from vaccines to

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9/11 not being given the whole truth on

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that and he was bringing out this whole

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other aspect he was touching the third

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rail on the media side they just wanted

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to shut it down everything was to make

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him look crazy but what was happening

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with the advent social media the way it

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was the independent media was picking up

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and really pushing the subjects pushing

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the topics and I would say largely the

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independent media lined up with Trump

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there's no question about it so I think

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in terms of what we saw there we saw

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this real clash where the official

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reality was breaking down there was kind

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of a schizophrenic situation where the

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mainstream media was trying to make it

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look really good they were trying to

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make it look like Trump's crazy look

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he's bringing up all these subjects we

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can preserve the old order with Clinton

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let's do that so when they really got

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trounced there because in the electoral

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college that was pretty much a trouncing

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or just the surprise aspect of Trunk

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getting in they created fake news on the

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weekend as a term the mainstream media

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on the weekend of Thanksgiving so to a

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couple of weeks to figure out how do we

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get ahead of this thing and the thing

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00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:31,830
that happened after that is we saw this

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list come out in The Washington Post

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about all these alternative sites that

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were supposed to be in with the Kremlin

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a lot of the sites I mean whoever put

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that together and if it came from this

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site called proper not we

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had the tagline serving the public since

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2016 this is a very new organization and

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quite probably just an arm of the

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Democratic Party that targeting of the

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alternative media as Russian agents was

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a theme that was pushed heavily there

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and it shows the kind of threat that the

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mainstream media felt and the forces

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behind it trying to silence the

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alternative voices and certainly they

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went much further and exposed their kind

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of disdain for the Free Press in that

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situation because we haven't seen lists

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like that really since the fifties and

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sixties I mean this was literally like a

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Red Scare what I was looking at and

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saying at that I said oh the whole game

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has changed we're right in the middle of

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it the whole game changed and it was a

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result of the election really that we

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were seeing this the thing here that we

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see here is that what people forget when

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they talk about mainstream media they

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say liberal media conservative media

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know it's a profit-making media they are

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all run by multinational corporations

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and they exist solely for the purpose of

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making a profit way above the news value

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whatever the big story is that day if

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they think they can get ratings

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whether it's tragedy or something good

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whatever spin they can put on it it's

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going to be because they're looking at

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the advertising there are stories that

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will never get on the mainstream media

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because it might impact certain key

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advertisers and I kind of think because

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I go back to the early days of broadcast

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journalism in the 60s and 70s where at

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that point journalism was a public

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service and when you wanted to renew

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your FCC license for your radio or TV

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station you had to demonstrate you acted

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in the public interest and then this is

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not the only example but it's one

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typical example in the seventies Roone

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Arledge who headed the sports division

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of ABC News took over the news division

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and everybody said you can't do that

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he's an entertainment guy and this is

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news but you know what that's where it

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is news is entertainment we debate here

784
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:54,619
on the power cast about some of this

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reality shows about

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UFOs and the paranormal and it's the

787
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:00,560
same difference here they're putting

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these reality shows on to basically get

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ratings so that they can sell ants they

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don't care about the truth

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it's a very cost effective to reality

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shows are much less expensive to produce

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than you know your standard documentary

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style shows with recreations that sort

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of thing the one thing I want to point

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out too which i think is also kind of a

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crucial turning point and get your

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thoughts on this I think was doing the

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trying to remember which administration

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overturned the rule that the news had to

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give the other side of the argument or

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the the dissenting view of a you know

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00:34:48,010 --> 00:34:46,610
you had to present equal time for for

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both sides of an argument there was a

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law in place that forced news outlets to

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present both sides of the story they

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were they were obliged legally to do

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that and I'm not sure when that I think

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it was due during the early years of the

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Clinton administration I'm not mistaken

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00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:05,780
that rule was struck and then that

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allowed the rise of a very shall we say

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politically slanted news coverage

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00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:14,570
absolutely yeah no that is very

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interesting it actually happened during

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the Reagan administration okay well that

817
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:22,700
makes sense that makes way more sense

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00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:26,930
yeah but that whole fair response thing

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was set up and networks had to give

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equal time which i think is interesting

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because what came out of that was this

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whole rush limbaugh thing you know it

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was like we got really heavy-duty

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conservative responses because the

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liberal media was dominating things at

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the time so this was an interesting

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balance but we know when Fox kicked in

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then we had really heavy-duty

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conservative voices and we had the same

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type of monopolies but when you really

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look at it it's the big picture the way

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that I was seeing it was like they were

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playing both sides of it because for

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example when Ron Paul came forward and

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the news coverage on him from the right

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and from the left was completely you

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know he talked about the federal reserve

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that's an untouchable so it's not really

839
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like you know it's not a liberal issue

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not a conservative issue they know when

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to hold the ground for the establishment

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and that's something I think that we see

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we've been in a steady decline in terms

844
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of regular news there's no question

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about it and I think the mainstream

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media has become it still has incredible

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control and I can tell you from you know

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being up here in Boston that you know

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there are people who just go for

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mainstream media and that's it more to

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[Music]

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00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:06,470
this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

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report and you're listening to the para

963
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cast the gold standard of paranormal

964
00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:22,860
let's look at this as our corner of the

965
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world here we're a paranormal radio show

966
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:28,810
not a mainstream political show but a

967
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:31,420
lot of the same standards apply so of

968
00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:34,630
course we attack for example the MUFON

969
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:38,080
hangar one TV show because it's

970
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:40,840
basically fiction but they embrace it

971
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:43,330
because it brings them memberships was

972
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:47,290
that a question or an observation it's a

973
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:49,630
good point it's an excellent point well

974
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:51,940
you know a MUFON has terrible problems

975
00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:55,450
of course MUFON being driven financially

976
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:57,220
the way that they are has degenerated as

977
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:59,050
an organization and people in the field

978
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:00,430
like Richard Dolan and others have

979
00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:01,990
really spoken out about it

980
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:04,120
Erika Luke's is another one who really

981
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:06,130
you know sizes up the problem very well

982
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:08,410
I think this happens with organizations

983
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:12,370
but the fact is that with the Internet's

984
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:15,550
it can be brought to bear you know there

985
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:19,180
can be public pressure around this and I

986
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:22,330
haven't seen it organized as such I'd

987
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:24,370
like to see more of that because what I

988
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:26,410
am seeing though is that on the

989
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:28,420
journalistic front in looking at these

990
00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:31,600
areas talking about our little corner of

991
00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:33,700
the world talking about MUFON talking

992
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:35,620
about something like coast to coast

993
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:37,210
which is much more like a paranormal

994
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:40,360
dating service type thing now in fact

995
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:48,210
never stop reminding us about it you

996
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:49,540
know and this is the interesting thing

997
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:52,030
about it though because coast to coast

998
00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:55,330
I think broke major important stories at

999
00:42:59,550 --> 00:42:58,060
one point they were big on area 51 they

1000
00:43:01,740 --> 00:42:59,560
brought a lot of things out about remote

1001
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:01,750
viewing I discovered things about

1002
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:04,510
Russell Targ and people like that way

1003
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:06,460
back you know that's like 15 years ago

1004
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:10,210
so I think that what happens with these

1005
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:12,700
shows is that they hang around and it

1006
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,610
becomes more and more competitive and

1007
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:17,200
their standards become lower and lower

1008
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:19,810
and we're seeing this you know one of

1009
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:22,120
the major pushers of this is guy a TV

1010
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:24,550
right now people could say you know in

1011
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:26,260
looking at guy is history they've had

1012
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:27,820
good documentaries they've done yoga

1013
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:29,710
shows they really cater to a new-age

1014
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:31,180
audience and they're not supposed to be

1015
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:32,060
mainstream

1016
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:34,700
in any sense of you know it's more of a

1017
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:37,100
I wouldn't say it's a fantasy but there

1018
00:43:42,610 --> 00:43:38,870
is kind of a new-age lifestyle they're

1019
00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:42,620
selling but they got into promoting

1020
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:44,780
shows like cosmic disclosure and cosmic

1021
00:43:49,330 --> 00:43:46,430
disclosure really being the thing that

1022
00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:49,340
they put a lot behind I think when

1023
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:50,660
you're talking about this corner of the

1024
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:52,850
universe we really have a problem there

1025
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:55,730
because something with a kind of

1026
00:44:00,100 --> 00:43:57,380
corporate control and corporate

1027
00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:00,110
advertising and a corporate push that is

1028
00:44:05,830 --> 00:44:03,580
getting in and vacuuming up ideas from

1029
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:05,840
alternative researchers and I've seen

1030
00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,780
this happen in that show specifically

1031
00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:11,420
and that shows David Wilcock and his

1032
00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:14,780
sidekick Corey Goode but what we see is

1033
00:44:18,610 --> 00:44:16,760
that they take these themes and recycle

1034
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,620
them and regurgitate them and there are

1035
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:21,200
writers working on this stuff and I'm

1036
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:23,510
sure that there are other factors in the

1037
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:25,400
History Channel and other you know like

1038
00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:26,750
Tom DeLonge some of these other

1039
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:29,180
movements it's not just guy at TV but

1040
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:31,730
this is a move somebody has figured out

1041
00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:34,430
on the marketing side that there's a big

1042
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:36,080
market to be tapped there if you can

1043
00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:38,870
combine this kind of airy-fairy New Age

1044
00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:43,160
stuff with hardcore UFO stuff but the

1045
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:44,750
problem is the way that they're going

1046
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:46,610
about it is they're they're presenting

1047
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:48,950
this fantasy stuff as real they're not

1048
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:51,050
looking for any evidence they're

1049
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:52,610
pretending these people are vetted they

1050
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,350
don't have any vetting I can tell you on

1051
00:44:57,790 --> 00:44:56,000
that show there's there's zero vetting

1052
00:45:01,060 --> 00:44:57,800
you know they're just presenting this

1053
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:01,070
stuff is real so in this case somebody

1054
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:03,770
like Wilcox job is to present somebody

1055
00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:06,260
like good as legit so he comes forward

1056
00:45:10,330 --> 00:45:07,820
he's a whistleblower well he's not it

1057
00:45:12,340 --> 00:45:10,340
was hard I mean a whistleblower would be

1058
00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:12,350
like an Edward Snowden who presents

1059
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:15,230
really delicate information at great

1060
00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:16,850
risk to himself and then has to flee the

1061
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:19,400
country and then is under you know

1062
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:21,110
potential indictment the minute he steps

1063
00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:22,970
back on American soil

1064
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:24,860
that's a whistleblower you know and

1065
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:26,830
there are varying degrees for sure but

1066
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:29,270
throwing around this term on that show

1067
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,710
about this whistleblower and that

1068
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:32,480
whistle blower doesn't really hold up

1069
00:45:37,540 --> 00:45:35,210
because these guys are just coming out

1070
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:37,550
and saying well you know I was in the

1071
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:40,190
space program and I did all these things

1072
00:45:45,339 --> 00:45:43,369
and I was part of an offworld colony and

1073
00:45:47,739 --> 00:45:45,349
we get into the fantasy realm here no

1074
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:47,749
proof no evidence and what's interesting

1075
00:45:52,539 --> 00:45:49,670
is you know I've looked at UFO

1076
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,549
literature and watch documentaries and

1077
00:45:56,259 --> 00:45:53,839
spend time with people who've

1078
00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:56,269
experienced those things for a long time

1079
00:46:01,630 --> 00:45:58,910
and they're very interested in being

1080
00:46:03,549 --> 00:46:01,640
regressed and finding out about it

1081
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:03,559
they're usually not interested in making

1082
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:06,049
any money from it at all when they're

1083
00:46:10,359 --> 00:46:07,970
legitimate and they're very interested

1084
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:10,369
in the experience the great difference

1085
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:11,990
here is you know in goods case one of

1086
00:46:18,009 --> 00:46:15,440
the first major red flags that I saw was

1087
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:18,019
that he didn't want to be regressed and

1088
00:46:21,849 --> 00:46:19,369
he didn't want to take a lie-detector

1089
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:21,859
test so both of those were huge red

1090
00:46:26,019 --> 00:46:24,529
flags now some people might not even

1091
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,029
trust a regression but it shows an

1092
00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:28,640
effort at presenting evidence these guys

1093
00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:31,700
will talk and good under that umbrella

1094
00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:35,480
of guy a TV were so into the fantasy of

1095
00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:37,460
the story that they had that they felt

1096
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,099
they didn't need to present any facts to

1097
00:46:43,779 --> 00:46:41,839
back it up and they'd have this little

1098
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:43,789
loop of you know Corey Goode mentioning

1099
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,230
something and Wilcock would say well you

1100
00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:46,640
know I've heard about that from some

1101
00:46:51,130 --> 00:46:48,380
other researchers so that backs up what

1102
00:46:52,989 --> 00:46:51,140
you just said but it doesn't and that

1103
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:52,999
was the problem with it so we've had

1104
00:46:59,099 --> 00:46:55,190
this real issue about evidence with them

1105
00:47:01,479 --> 00:46:59,109
and that came full circle in that MUFON

1106
00:47:04,269 --> 00:47:01,489
debacle from the summer which was

1107
00:47:06,670 --> 00:47:04,279
probably one of the lowest points I

1108
00:47:08,229 --> 00:47:06,680
think for MUFON not knowing their

1109
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:08,239
history that well but it seemed to me

1110
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:11,180
like they really just from an

1111
00:47:14,109 --> 00:47:12,410
organization that was looking for

1112
00:47:16,839 --> 00:47:14,119
evidence looking for trying to show

1113
00:47:18,729 --> 00:47:16,849
the reality of UFOs and then they they

1114
00:47:22,059 --> 00:47:18,739
had Corey Goode there and talking about

1115
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:22,069
being on Mars and they had Andrew

1116
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:23,960
basiago talking about time-traveling and

1117
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:26,569
I think the balance of facts went out

1118
00:47:29,259 --> 00:47:27,980
the window there was no supportive

1119
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:29,269
evidence for the things that they were

1120
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:30,890
talking about and then you had a guy

1121
00:47:35,859 --> 00:47:33,529
like Dylan who is very keen on facts

1122
00:47:38,799 --> 00:47:35,869
very hardcore historian style and he has

1123
00:47:40,539 --> 00:47:38,809
to be on the panel with them so for me

1124
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:40,549
that was had to be the low point for

1125
00:47:45,549 --> 00:47:43,430
MUFON they've had low points before but

1126
00:47:48,989 --> 00:47:45,559
that's where the the Train definitely

1127
00:47:52,329 --> 00:47:48,999
came totally off the rails on that

1128
00:47:55,029 --> 00:47:52,339
decision-making process now I mention

1129
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:55,039
this to you also if you ask Jan Harz an

1130
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,650
why did you do that

1131
00:48:02,099 --> 00:47:58,720
and the posture they take is let's give

1132
00:48:04,019 --> 00:48:02,109
our members a chance to decide well this

1133
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:04,029
is supposed to be a scientific research

1134
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:07,089
organization devoted to exploring the

1135
00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:10,260
mystery of UFOs and it's not

1136
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:12,940
crowdsourcing it's supposed to present

1137
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:15,490
scientific information which means you

1138
00:48:22,799 --> 00:48:18,609
assume there's gonna be a basic attempt

1139
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:22,809
to vet a story before it's present and

1140
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:26,049
that's just take any wacky claim and say

1141
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:27,910
here it is you might as well have

1142
00:48:33,269 --> 00:48:32,170
Michael horn and billy meier next well

1143
00:48:35,069 --> 00:48:33,279
it's interesting you mentioned billy

1144
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:35,079
meier because i'll say this about billy

1145
00:48:40,289 --> 00:48:37,750
meier although we've had so many you

1146
00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:40,299
know kind of facts fallout from his

1147
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:43,329
story but meyer you made an effort to

1148
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:44,920
present evidence even if the evidence

1149
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:47,410
was faked we have a somebody who really

1150
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:49,420
when people went and investigated that

1151
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:52,510
story there's tons of footage associated

1152
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:53,950
with it even if it's fake footage

1153
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,450
there's tons of photographs right

1154
00:49:00,029 --> 00:48:58,000
there's a major effort around this thing

1155
00:49:03,089 --> 00:49:00,039
to say you know so that somebody who was

1156
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:03,099
on or into the billy meier cult could

1157
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:04,420
say well you know i have a lot of

1158
00:49:09,390 --> 00:49:07,180
evidence on the side on on the side of

1159
00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:09,400
Corrigan and Wilcock there's nothing as

1160
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:10,750
a matter of fact they say that the

1161
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:12,190
interstellar beings that they're dealing

1162
00:49:16,289 --> 00:49:14,170
with require that there be no evidence

1163
00:49:16,589 --> 00:49:16,299
it's part of the requirement for doing

1164
00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:16,599
it

1165
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:18,849
so well there was you know he would be

1166
00:49:23,789 --> 00:49:21,910
in great danger so you know I mean I

1167
00:49:25,019 --> 00:49:23,799
think we run into problems there but

1168
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:25,029
it's funny because when you mentioned

1169
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:26,950
Maier actually I think of the two and I

1170
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:28,569
weigh the mountain I think my god Corey

1171
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,910
Goode is a gigantic step about Maier Oh

1172
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:34,000
big time yeah they're lazy if they

1173
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:37,720
really wanted to to be convincing they

1174
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,940
would have manufactured something come

1175
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:41,680
up with something but but there was

1176
00:49:49,049 --> 00:49:45,520
nothing and I find the fact that he's

1177
00:49:50,099 --> 00:49:49,059
now got a group of business advisers

1178
00:49:53,309 --> 00:49:50,109
around him and he's putting on

1179
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:53,319
conferences he just had one about I

1180
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:55,569
think three weeks ago up in Mount Shasta

1181
00:50:01,710 --> 00:49:58,480
which was a real boondoggle from what I

1182
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:01,720
heard you know once it gets into the

1183
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:04,089
realm of trying to monetize and

1184
00:50:09,809 --> 00:50:08,049
capitalize on notoriety that's that's if

1185
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:09,819
alarm bells don't go out for people's

1186
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,430
minds

1187
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:13,520
then you know they're too stupid they're

1188
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:15,950
ignorant they should know better

1189
00:50:21,790 --> 00:50:17,660
people should first of all should have a

1190
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:21,800
BS meter that would allow them to you

1191
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:25,160
know not suspend their disbelief but to

1192
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:27,230
you know start questioning the narrative

1193
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:31,010
as as as being real and you're not

1194
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:33,170
you're not seeing this you've seen

1195
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:36,440
people I grabbed my video camera at

1196
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:39,410
contact in the desert but not this last

1197
00:50:42,819 --> 00:50:41,630
one but the one before and Corey Goode

1198
00:50:44,829 --> 00:50:42,829
and David Wilcock we're gonna be

1199
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:44,839
speaking there's 105 degrees and all

1200
00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:46,670
these people are waiting in line and and

1201
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:48,589
so I wondered I interview people like

1202
00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:50,990
caught some flak for it you know people

1203
00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:53,059
say well you do the same thing to those

1204
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:54,680
people that you did the same thing to

1205
00:50:58,859 --> 00:50:56,690
those people that you accused mainstream

1206
00:51:02,349 --> 00:50:58,869
media of doing to the subject matter and

1207
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:02,359
okay granted yeah guilty Mia culpa it's

1208
00:51:09,970 --> 00:51:05,510
me yeah I did that but I was trying to

1209
00:51:12,609 --> 00:51:09,980
expose absolute lunacy and and just

1210
00:51:15,579 --> 00:51:12,619
trying to get find out why people were

1211
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,589
believing this stuff before we look at

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belief systems let's look at this break

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known to some as the dark journalist

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Chris before we went to break I was

1289
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:56,190
describing my attempt to get some

1290
00:55:02,510 --> 00:54:58,530
insight into the mindset of people that

1291
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:02,520
buy into the Corey good style fantasies

1292
00:55:07,550 --> 00:55:05,310
I will refer to them in my estimation

1293
00:55:09,050 --> 00:55:07,560
their fantasies a lot of people are

1294
00:55:10,579 --> 00:55:09,060
buying into this stuff and so you know

1295
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,589
being in contact in the desert with a

1296
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:13,200
video camera I just had to roll some

1297
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:16,050
tape and you know get people talking

1298
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:18,990
about why they believe something that

1299
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:21,330
has absolutely no proof behind it and at

1300
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,800
the time I think there was some sort of

1301
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:25,200
cosmic space war that was supposedly

1302
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,930
going on right overhead right in that

1303
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:29,760
time period but but everything was

1304
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:33,660
cloaked so we couldn't see it yes I

1305
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:35,790
caught a lot of flack for interviewing

1306
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:37,650
these people and and you know asking

1307
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:38,730
hard questions

1308
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:41,130
not really attempting them to make them

1309
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,410
look ridiculous just allowing them a

1310
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:44,880
platform to make themselves look

1311
00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:48,270
ridiculous and you know to me it's

1312
00:55:52,579 --> 00:55:50,790
really problematic and it's emblematic

1313
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:52,589
of what's going on right now I think

1314
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:53,700
within the field

1315
00:55:58,070 --> 00:55:55,710
that people are getting their

1316
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:58,080
information almost lock stock and barrel

1317
00:56:00,860 --> 00:55:59,280
from the internet and from the

1318
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:00,870
television people do not read books

1319
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:03,420
anymore they're not up to speed on who

1320
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,970
is actually out in the field doing doing

1321
00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:07,890
the exemplary work or has in the past

1322
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,620
they're not up to speed on important

1323
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:12,900
cases from the past that's why the para

1324
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,480
cast spends a lot of time on historical

1325
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,640
cases is because these are important

1326
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,740
things for people to realize when they

1327
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:21,540
when they start making decisions about

1328
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:24,690
about their own you know unless one end

1329
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:28,500
and process of seeking the truth what

1330
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:30,750
where do you see this whole thing going

1331
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:34,110
right now do see Daniel people coming to

1332
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:36,270
their senses or do you see just more of

1333
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:39,060
the same well Chris it's very

1334
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:41,400
interesting he just brought up really

1335
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:43,260
the points that I've been grappling with

1336
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:45,210
over the last three or four months and

1337
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:46,980
doing this New Age deep state series

1338
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:50,610
about good and his cohorts and Gaia TV

1339
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:53,460
in the whole bit because see on one hand

1340
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:54,990
people will say well the public's

1341
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,480
responsible it's up to them etc but

1342
00:57:02,440 --> 00:56:59,520
actually it's very interesting because

1343
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:02,450
the public has a right to expect from

1344
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:04,830
stations like Gaia or the History

1345
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:07,080
Channel that they have vetted the people

1346
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:09,030
coming forward to a degree I can tell

1347
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:11,400
you in goods case there's nothing and I

1348
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:13,110
know their producers you know they

1349
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,750
emailed me after I released New Age deep

1350
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:17,460
State and said you know why are you

1351
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:19,020
doing this and all that kind of thing

1352
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:21,990
but there's no vetting process that took

1353
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place because they would have found all

1354
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the things that I found and certainly

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00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:28,260
you know let's first of all get to the

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point of what good is saying good as

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saying that he's a galactic ambassador

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that he's part of a secret Space

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Alliance and in a secret space program

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00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:39,690
and that they took him for these twenty

1361
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:42,150
and back things by the way a lot of this

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:44,610
comes I've found a lot of roots of this

1363
00:57:48,350 --> 00:57:46,010
and different types of science fiction

1364
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:48,360
but the twenty and back thing is where

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they take him in a program from when

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00:57:54,350 --> 00:57:52,410
he's a child they take him for twenty

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00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:54,360
years and then they regress him so he

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00:57:59,540 --> 00:57:57,420
time-travels back twenties a young eight

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00:58:00,830 --> 00:57:59,550
year old again and then he's back and

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00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,840
nobody missed him in the first place but

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in the meantime he did all this stuff

1372
00:58:07,020 --> 00:58:04,740
now he's done that three times in his

1373
00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:07,030
own bio so that's

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00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:09,340
sixty years there plus he's in his forty

1375
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:10,360
so that would make him over a hundred

1376
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:12,910
years old basically but this is what he

1377
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:15,280
presents as the truth but then it went

1378
00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:17,500
further because not only was he big on

1379
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,300
the space thing but he started to hook

1380
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up with Inner Earth princesses and he

1381
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started to be part of the Mayan

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civilization that is still in the Inner

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Earth so in other words he became

1384
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:32,520
Richard shaver yes exactly

1385
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:35,260
well I think in a way you know it

1386
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there's there's always an interesting

1387
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thing with Shafer because you know it's

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it got people thinking about all these

1389
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,240
different things and it's you know is

1390
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strictly in this kind of science fiction

1391
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:48,670
vein but with good there is this idea

1392
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:52,600
that because of the pressure of the show

1393
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and the amount of shows that they do

1394
00:59:00,090 --> 00:58:56,890
that they have to keep creating these

1395
00:59:01,620 --> 00:59:00,100
wilder and Wilder narratives and so then

1396
00:59:05,550 --> 00:59:01,630
it goes to the responsibility of the

1397
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:05,560
show as well as good and all the people

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00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:07,570
around it for example one of the big

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00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:10,420
producers on the show is Jay Widener and

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00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:12,040
Jay Widener's done all kinds of stuff

1401
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:14,290
around the alternative field but when it

1402
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:17,710
comes to good you know suddenly he's no

1403
00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:19,930
longer interested in finding facts out

1404
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:22,030
he's just interested in keeping that

1405
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:24,070
show going with Wilcock now let's talk

1406
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:26,530
about Wilcock for a second David Wilcock

1407
00:59:32,130 --> 00:59:28,690
came on the scene saying he was the

1408
00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:32,140
reincarnation of Edgar Cayce the guy who

1409
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:33,640
wrote the book saying that he was the

1410
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:35,110
reincarnation of Edgar Cayce it's a

1411
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:38,950
fellow named Winfrey and when freed did

1412
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:40,690
another book and it was about how his

1413
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:43,450
friend was Catherine st. Catherine and

1414
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:45,490
they had the same thing going on with

1415
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:47,980
the pictures and all the rest of it but

1416
00:59:53,250 --> 00:59:50,830
this is how Wilcock came out now he was

1417
00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:53,260
known as somebody who kept faxing art

1418
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:54,940
Bell about a nuclear explosion that was

1419
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:56,890
going to happen in New York City in 1998

1420
01:00:00,240 --> 00:59:58,690
I think of course that never happened

1421
01:00:01,740 --> 01:00:00,250
and there's a string of other strange

1422
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:01,750
predictions that he's made over the

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01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:03,730
years like you know that the Cabal

1424
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:05,950
arrests are pending and that the big

1425
01:00:09,450 --> 01:00:07,990
structure is coming down and you know

1426
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:09,460
all this stuff and none of those

1427
01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:11,410
predictions ever come true that's just a

1428
01:00:13,350 --> 01:00:11,830
fact

1429
01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:13,360
he doesn't make any accurate visit

1430
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:15,670
predictions I looked very hard to find

1431
01:00:19,710 --> 01:00:17,890
some and he hasn't made any isn't that

1432
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:19,720
true with most of these people who come

1433
01:00:26,310 --> 01:00:20,260
and they

1434
01:00:28,579 --> 01:00:26,320
and on and you go back if you ever

1435
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:28,589
bother and a lot of these shows

1436
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:31,030
unfortunately don't bother you'll

1437
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:32,710
finally didn't happen they might I even

1438
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,230
say we predicted this event we predicted

1439
01:00:39,210 --> 01:00:37,359
that event and maybe there's some vague

1440
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:39,220
prediction that you could in a very

1441
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:42,430
loose way say yeah maybe kind of sorta

1442
01:00:47,819 --> 01:00:45,670
but they really didn't well you guys

1443
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:47,829
have done some good shows on Sean David

1444
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:49,780
Morton and the controversies going on

1445
01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:51,910
there interesting but this he never

1446
01:00:57,210 --> 01:00:54,040
predicted anything accurate that was the

1447
01:00:58,650 --> 01:00:57,220
beginning end of it well this is true

1448
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,660
but here's what's interesting about

1449
01:01:01,710 --> 01:01:00,400
Morton is they presented him as this

1450
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:01,720
psychic there's a show I was watching

1451
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,460
actually this one was maybe from two

1452
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:05,680
thousand seven or eight which is George

1453
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:06,160
Noory

1454
01:01:10,829 --> 01:01:09,010
and Morton sitting there in these chairs

1455
01:01:13,050 --> 01:01:10,839
trading back and forth this is really

1456
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:13,060
maybe a precursor to cosmic disclosure

1457
01:01:16,349 --> 01:01:14,920
in a lot of ways and he makes all these

1458
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:16,359
things while Hillary Clinton will be the

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01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:18,790
first president you know well you know

1460
01:01:23,099 --> 01:01:21,760
North Korea nuclear incident 2009 and

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01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:23,109
Hollister and of course none of it came

1462
01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:25,510
true so there is this kind of accounting

1463
01:01:29,490 --> 01:01:26,980
thing that doesn't happen in alternative

1464
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:29,500
media it's who is the next one out with

1465
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,510
the new wild claim you know that's

1466
01:01:36,089 --> 01:01:34,480
really what happens and so a lot of it

1467
01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:36,099
there is an entertainment wave in there

1468
01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:38,200
and I figure you know in a case like

1469
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:41,380
Morton where you know now he's facing

1470
01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:43,210
charges and we know he was involved in

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01:01:48,329 --> 01:01:45,670
this kind of psychic stockbroker a fraud

1472
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:48,339
case with a lot of money and a lot of

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01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:49,720
people I know people who were involved

1474
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,859
in that who got screwed over involved

1475
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:55,359
with Morton what I was thinking about

1476
01:01:58,859 --> 01:01:57,250
this you know it's one thing to say well

1477
01:02:00,480 --> 01:01:58,869
here's a person who comes on and does

1478
01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:00,490
predictions and whatever you know it's

1479
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:02,800
entertaining it's fun and the show says

1480
01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:05,410
you know at the beginning of Gaia for

1481
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:07,660
example says you know the views

1482
01:02:11,579 --> 01:02:09,490
expressed don't necessarily reflect guy

1483
01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:11,589
a TV or its corporate affiliates and all

1484
01:02:17,819 --> 01:02:14,470
the rest of it so that's fine but they

1485
01:02:20,339 --> 01:02:17,829
do present nonetheless in the case of

1486
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,349
Wilcock and good that this is a real

1487
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:22,960
thing that he's a real whistleblower etc

1488
01:02:28,510 --> 01:02:26,410
so you know my thing is if it's an

1489
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:28,520
entertainment show then

1490
01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:30,230
that's fine make it a sci-fi

1491
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:31,670
entertainment show but if you have

1492
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:33,650
people actually believing this and then

1493
01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:35,510
you ask yourself like Chris was just

1494
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,800
saying well why would somebody believe

1495
01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:38,960
this in the first place well I'll tell

1496
01:02:43,870 --> 01:02:41,990
you the writers around that show poor

1497
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:43,880
good and Wilcock are so good at

1498
01:02:48,810 --> 01:02:46,609
plagiarism that is grabbing stuff that

1499
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:48,820
has merit in it for example I've seen

1500
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,950
from some of my shows a former assistant

1501
01:02:55,740 --> 01:02:53,900
housing secretary Katherine Austin Fitz

1502
01:02:58,570 --> 01:02:55,750
and the things that she talks about

1503
01:03:00,099 --> 01:02:58,580
about the black budget for example or

1504
01:03:02,020 --> 01:03:00,109
dr. Joseph Ferrell who talks about

1505
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:02,030
Antarctica and some of the discoveries

1506
01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:04,310
they've made there and they would vacuum

1507
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:07,190
up that type of material and rehash it

1508
01:03:12,130 --> 01:03:09,710
so that you know they're mixing in these

1509
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:12,140
real points about things that they're

1510
01:03:15,490 --> 01:03:13,849
getting and then they're throwing in

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their own wild story about hey I'm the

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only galactic ambassador I'm the sole

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ambassador for the Space Alliance and

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the rest of it let's do our break here

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tell us why would et why would

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01:08:22,289 --> 01:08:18,370
supposedly intelligent space brothers or

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01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:22,299
whoever higher beings take nobodies with

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01:08:27,599 --> 01:08:25,870
no influence whatever people nobody else

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:27,609
ever heard of except maybe friends and

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family to become their galactic

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01:08:35,849 --> 01:08:33,130
emissaries well it's fascinating isn't

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01:08:37,289 --> 01:08:35,859
it and let's think about that well in

1634
01:08:39,809 --> 01:08:37,299
goods case you know he says he has a

1635
01:08:41,939 --> 01:08:39,819
very famous important reincarnation that

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01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:41,949
they're gonna reveal to him at some

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01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:43,270
point so this kind of will make

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01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:44,920
everything make sense after that why

1639
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,650
they chose him but what I think is

1640
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:49,839
interesting when we look at this case is

1641
01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:53,710
how much the narrative grew so for

1642
01:08:57,959 --> 01:08:55,900
example you know in the beginning good

1643
01:08:59,970 --> 01:08:57,969
came out and he was a my lab which was

1644
01:09:02,550 --> 01:08:59,980
you know victim of military abduction

1645
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:02,560
and had some issues you know and had

1646
01:09:06,689 --> 01:09:04,839
some ideas about blue orbs and then he

1647
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,699
became part of the secret space program

1648
01:09:10,349 --> 01:09:08,560
and then blue avians chose him as the

1649
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:10,359
Galactic ambassador and then he became

1650
01:09:15,599 --> 01:09:12,370
an ambassador for these princesses of

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01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:15,609
the Inner Earth and then he became the

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01:09:19,649 --> 01:09:17,380
guy that the military wanted to send to

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01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:19,659
Antarctica to inspect these ruins from

1654
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,029
Atlantis and he'd go to Antarctica and

1655
01:09:25,410 --> 01:09:23,440
he'd come back on the show and he'd say

1656
01:09:26,849 --> 01:09:25,420
oh I got the ice and my boots still from

1657
01:09:29,579 --> 01:09:26,859
being on there on the ground at the

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01:09:32,579 --> 01:09:29,589
secret military so you know this is the

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01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:32,589
nature he's the Walter Mitty of the

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01:09:36,329 --> 01:09:35,139
entire secret space thing now but here's

1661
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:36,339
what's fascinating when we look at

1662
01:09:41,579 --> 01:09:38,770
secret space because I hosted the secret

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01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:41,589
space program conference 2015 in Texas

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01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:44,500
and you know when I was doing the panel

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01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:46,750
I looked right and I had Linda Moulton

1666
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,830
Howe who was talking about the Phoenix

1667
01:09:56,459 --> 01:09:53,199
lights and kind of military suppression

1668
01:09:59,490 --> 01:09:56,469
of UFOs dr. Joseph Farrell who was

1669
01:10:01,000 --> 01:09:59,500
talking about these kind of topics of

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01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:01,010
military cover-up

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01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:04,910
and Catherine Austin Fitz who having

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01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:07,310
been involved in the federal budget took

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01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:09,110
a look at it and said they're pilfering

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:10,820
off money from the federal budget she

1675
01:10:15,820 --> 01:10:12,290
called it missing trillions which is a

1676
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,830
real buzz line that the good people used

1677
01:10:21,220 --> 01:10:18,080
now and they're pilfering it into the

1678
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:21,230
secret space program well you know we

1679
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:22,489
know a lot of things came out through

1680
01:10:27,220 --> 01:10:25,310
Gary McKinnon who was a UK hacker who

1681
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:27,230
went in and fiddled with some of those

1682
01:10:32,350 --> 01:10:30,260
NASA computers and found what he said

1683
01:10:34,150 --> 01:10:32,360
was an offworld officer's list there

1684
01:10:35,950 --> 01:10:34,160
were links behind the things that they

1685
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:35,960
were saying so the secret space program

1686
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:39,890
I think that is a valid thing to look at

1687
01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:42,370
and check out I think there's a real

1688
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,580
kind of documentary trail there to find

1689
01:10:51,850 --> 01:10:49,280
that there is a separate space program

1690
01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:51,860
that's kept in a covert way which is

1691
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:55,220
used largely to build a private

1692
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:57,410
development of space you know and

1693
01:11:00,850 --> 01:10:58,730
there's a lot of opportunities in space

1694
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:00,860
like space mining space tourism and all

1695
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:03,530
the rest of it this all makes sense now

1696
01:11:07,570 --> 01:11:05,960
during even that conference in 2015

1697
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:07,580
there was incredible pressure to put

1698
01:11:12,010 --> 01:11:10,310
Corey Goode in that show and Corey Goode

1699
01:11:14,740 --> 01:11:12,020
had just come out but it was strange

1700
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:14,750
even guy as producer showed up and

1701
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:16,250
that's Jay Widener again he showed up

1702
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:18,230
for the conference and they really

1703
01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:21,170
wanted him in the lineup and we resisted

1704
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:22,700
the calls for people to do that we left

1705
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:25,130
him out and this is a very interesting

1706
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:27,770
split because I think secret space

1707
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:30,110
program research is a real thing and I

1708
01:11:34,210 --> 01:11:32,060
think there are people with qualified

1709
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:34,220
credentials looking into it including

1710
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:35,810
Richard Dolan he's somebody who they had

1711
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:38,960
on that panel at MUFON because he's done

1712
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:41,420
legit research on it but then you have

1713
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:43,970
this other thing and that other thing is

1714
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:46,880
either just somebody making up stories

1715
01:11:51,460 --> 01:11:49,910
and seeing how far he can get it could

1716
01:11:53,290 --> 01:11:51,470
be a psychological operation to get

1717
01:11:56,350 --> 01:11:53,300
people off of the real story it's

1718
01:11:58,300 --> 01:11:56,360
possible or he came out with this wild

1719
01:11:59,920 --> 01:11:58,310
story and some marketing organization

1720
01:12:02,080 --> 01:11:59,930
looked at him and said let's pump that

1721
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:02,090
up and they got together with Gaia TV

1722
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,370
and they put him out there and his story

1723
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:06,560
now with writers and galactic

1724
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,350
ambassadorship in Earth Princesses has

1725
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:10,640
to get more and more elaborate because

1726
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:12,350
he's feeding an audience now who needs

1727
01:12:15,330 --> 01:12:12,730
the

1728
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,340
Stallman so I think when we get into

1729
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:17,440
this territory it's very important to

1730
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:19,510
separate out the actual thing which was

1731
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:22,780
the secret space program from people who

1732
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:24,940
claim to be whistleblowers who have no

1733
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:27,250
background no past to look into of

1734
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:29,410
course in goods case some of the things

1735
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:31,140
we found in this past aren't very pretty

1736
01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:34,450
but you know they don't have any of the

1737
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:36,670
credentials that they talked about and

1738
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:39,670
so they shouldn't be pushed as any kind

1739
01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:41,530
of legitimate whistleblower and people

1740
01:12:44,460 --> 01:12:43,000
should see that this is somebody who

1741
01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:44,470
doesn't have any any evidence therefore

1742
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:47,260
I shouldn't believe them well in all

1743
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:49,900
fairness here there are some people

1744
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:51,850
who've looked into Dolan's research and

1745
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:53,170
sometimes that's a little bit

1746
01:12:58,460 --> 01:12:55,510
questionable or removed from the

1747
01:13:01,620 --> 01:12:58,470
original source he's not perfect by

1748
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:01,630
large means I remember one time he's not

1749
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:03,070
gonna like this but let's say in anyway

1750
01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:06,130
I met him at an International UFO

1751
01:13:12,810 --> 01:13:09,160
conference in Fountain Hills Arizona

1752
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:12,820
near Phoenix is Scottsdale and I picked

1753
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:15,070
up his book and looked and found like

1754
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:17,050
three or four really really serious

1755
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:20,350
errors in like five minutes oh this this

1756
01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:22,660
this and they said well you know I'll

1757
01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:25,870
fix it someday but you know I worry

1758
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:28,900
about that you couldn't hinge something

1759
01:13:34,260 --> 01:13:30,910
like the secret space program on any one

1760
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:34,270
person's research for example somebody

1761
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:35,590
like Doan does a hell of a lot more

1762
01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:38,650
research than people like Wilcock or

1763
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:40,630
good who apparently don't do any and

1764
01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:42,760
just kind of vacuum up other people's

1765
01:13:48,570 --> 01:13:45,940
stuff but you know I think with somebody

1766
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:48,580
like Richard Owen you get somebody who

1767
01:13:52,590 --> 01:13:50,890
has an academic background looking into

1768
01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:52,600
these things that's what you want I mean

1769
01:13:56,460 --> 01:13:54,160
it's not that they're ever gonna you

1770
01:13:59,190 --> 01:13:56,470
know not make mistakes that's it was too

1771
01:14:01,650 --> 01:13:59,200
too hard to imagine and I also would say

1772
01:14:03,570 --> 01:14:01,660
this is the interesting thing because if

1773
01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:03,580
you look at many of the shows that I do

1774
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,420
it's a pretty open-minded format because

1775
01:14:11,190 --> 01:14:09,280
you know I've talked to people who have

1776
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:11,200
had psychic experiences people who have

1777
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:13,930
had UFO experiences one of the major

1778
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,210
people that they grabbed for the Corey

1779
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,360
good conference was niara Isley which I

1780
01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:21,520
did it to our interview with her about

1781
01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:24,760
her experiences and her story it was

1782
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,900
quite far out

1783
01:14:29,700 --> 01:14:28,000
you know having been taken to the moon

1784
01:14:32,850 --> 01:14:29,710
and things like that but she was in the

1785
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:32,860
military so whatever had happened to her

1786
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:35,290
whether it was a mind-control experiment

1787
01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:36,850
or whatever there was something to look

1788
01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:40,600
into for it so some of the the shows

1789
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:42,190
that I've done and things I've looked

1790
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:44,590
into you need a really broad spectrum in

1791
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:47,710
order to get it any truth so in a way

1792
01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:50,110
I'm the last person in the world to play

1793
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:53,409
skeptic around this but I think the

1794
01:14:59,220 --> 01:14:56,830
sheer level of plagiarism that happens

1795
01:15:04,189 --> 01:14:59,230
with the good and Wilcock material and

1796
01:15:07,709 --> 01:15:04,199
the sheer kind of lying that takes place

1797
01:15:10,770 --> 01:15:07,719
you know it strikes me as so fantastic

1798
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:10,780
that I have to come in you know from my

1799
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:12,730
own kind of thinking about these things

1800
01:15:17,790 --> 01:15:14,710
and say it's one thing to be open-minded

1801
01:15:20,729 --> 01:15:17,800
but to let somebody come in there and

1802
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:20,739
milk a kind of a public that's just

1803
01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:22,300
looking at this topic for the first time

1804
01:15:27,689 --> 01:15:24,219
let's imagine that somebody like good or

1805
01:15:30,689 --> 01:15:27,699
Wilcock is the first kind of glint that

1806
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:30,699
the public has of these subjects like

1807
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:33,520
the UFO subject like abductions like the

1808
01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:35,530
secret space program these are very

1809
01:15:40,410 --> 01:15:38,140
difficult topics I remember in

1810
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:40,420
conversation with John Mack talking to

1811
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,550
him about this you know Mack was a

1812
01:15:48,330 --> 01:15:45,520
Harvard professor who had taken on the

1813
01:15:50,189 --> 01:15:48,340
abduction stories and had taken on UFOs

1814
01:15:52,590 --> 01:15:50,199
as a serious thing and God lambasted

1815
01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:52,600
from everything from Harvard itself to

1816
01:15:57,930 --> 01:15:56,260
Time magazine but you know the subject

1817
01:15:59,939 --> 01:15:57,940
itself is hard enough even with somebody

1818
01:16:01,860 --> 01:15:59,949
of that level of caliber know so let's

1819
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,870
think of how low the caliber is now that

1820
01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:03,280
we have a guy who thinks he's the

1821
01:16:07,470 --> 01:16:05,260
reincarnation of Edgar Cayce it was a

1822
01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:07,480
really good psychic by the way by the

1823
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:10,270
way before we go on I don't remember his

1824
01:16:15,689 --> 01:16:13,449
name but there was a character like that

1825
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:15,699
years ago who used to go on the Long

1826
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John Nebel radio show of course Long

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01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:20,920
John was the pioneer in paranormal radio

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we've got a lot more to come with the

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hi this is Bryce a blonde the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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[Music]

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so I guess this thing is every

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generation we get a new reincarnation

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yes well there's always somebody even

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Elizabeth Clare prophet if you remember

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her she was Marie Antoinette

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01:21:29,570 --> 01:21:26,730
according to her so you know this idea

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of somebody billing themselves as some

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famous personage from a previous era is

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not so new it really isn't I think Billy

1951
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:36,600
Meyer even said he was Christ actually

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01:21:43,220 --> 01:21:40,440
because his book there you know his

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01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:43,230
reincarnation was Christ so I guess if

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01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:44,520
these guys are saying their case he has

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01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:48,210
to step down from that but it's women in

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Sedona that claim they were the

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reincarnation of Nefertiti two months

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apart there are recent arrivals and I

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01:22:07,070 --> 01:21:58,860
found out that they both gone to the

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same Sedona psychic Sedona you know you

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kind of expected and to be honest with

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you there are a lot of things that have

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01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:12,900
come out of the New Age that I have

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great respect for you know like

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theosophy and anthroposophy these

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01:22:22,340 --> 01:22:19,440
movements around the turn of like the

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01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:22,350
18th into the 19th century it created

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very valuable things I mean yoga

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01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:25,950
meditation you so many things came out

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01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:27,570
of that and I think there's a lot of

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01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,210
value to it so one of the interesting

1972
01:22:35,690 --> 01:22:32,880
things about calling the series New Age

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01:22:38,660 --> 01:22:35,700
deep state and the six-part series I'm

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01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:38,670
doing on YouTube about good and some of

1975
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:39,540
these other things that have come up

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01:22:44,420 --> 01:22:42,150
like Tom DeLonge for example the

1977
01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:44,430
blink-182 frontman who claims to have

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01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:46,020
all the answers about UFOs suddenly

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01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:48,110
because it's good-looking marketing area

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01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:50,640
but it is interesting because the New

1981
01:22:58,190 --> 01:22:55,110
Age has like the UFO field it attracts

1982
01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:58,200
it's a magnet for two things

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01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:01,560
unscrupulous marketing and Intel

1984
01:23:06,650 --> 01:23:04,110
operations so if there's anything in a

1985
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:06,660
program about UFOs people are looking

1986
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:09,060
into that does get into one of the

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01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:10,800
secret programs that the government or

1988
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:12,840
certain organizations are working on

1989
01:23:17,420 --> 01:23:15,300
they will push a major disinformation

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and it's happened in the field I think

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01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:20,220
it's easily trackable that that happens

1992
01:23:24,980 --> 01:23:23,010
unscrupulous marketing certainly happens

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01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:24,990
and we see that on a regular basis I

1994
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,380
think

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01:23:28,450 --> 01:23:27,120
happening with the History Channel right

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01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:28,460
now and the things that you mentioned

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01:23:33,020 --> 01:23:30,900
undiscovered - it's not just make it

1998
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,030
history it's there's a lot of them but

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01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,560
they will they'll just put it out there

2000
01:23:38,959 --> 01:23:36,480
and they're there trying to get more for

2001
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:38,969
car sales advertisements in there

2002
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:40,260
they're trying to get the pharmaceutical

2003
01:23:43,340 --> 01:23:41,580
companies to advertise with them because

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01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:43,350
of their ratings I mean that's their

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01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:46,260
motivation so I think when we look at

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01:23:50,959 --> 01:23:49,409
this now the New Age really has done

2007
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:50,969
that but the New Age tends to be much

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01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:53,400
more community oriented so they have to

2009
01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:55,620
get something into that community and I

2010
01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:57,239
think people remember things like flower

2011
01:24:02,240 --> 01:23:59,880
of life or drunvalo melchizedek and some

2012
01:24:04,370 --> 01:24:02,250
of these things that came in and really

2013
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:04,380
worked and there was a marketing program

2014
01:24:07,340 --> 01:24:05,820
and there were workshops and there were

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01:24:11,780 --> 01:24:07,350
books and there are all these things

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around it so the New Age has on one hand

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01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,980
the ability I think for people to go in

2018
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:15,360
there and find things about meditation

2019
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:17,010
higher consciousness it has a good

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01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:20,310
history the the real core of it when it

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01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:23,219
first started but I think that when you

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01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,850
go later

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01:24:27,620 --> 01:24:25,679
it's really just a plaything for

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01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,630
marketing forces and right now I think

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01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:29,580
it's at a really terrible State because

2026
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:31,620
some marketing companies have targeted

2027
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,710
the UFO field and the new-age community

2028
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:36,239
and they've said let's merge those two

2029
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:39,840
and let's make a real big marketing op

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01:24:54,169 --> 01:24:51,770
service well you know one thing you

2031
01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:54,179
mentioned about the plagiarism for some

2032
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:57,150
reason I became friends with David Ickes

2033
01:25:03,169 --> 01:24:58,800
I think that's his name David Icke right

2034
01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:03,179
his ex-wife got some pretty interesting

2035
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:06,750
lowdown on his particular so-called

2036
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:08,489
research process and I'll tell you that

2037
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:11,699
guy I guess the axiom if you steal from

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01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:14,280
one place or a person it's plagiarism

2039
01:25:18,020 --> 01:25:16,110
but if you steal from a bunch of people

2040
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:18,030
it's called research it comes from that

2041
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,210
school and talked about mara merging the

2042
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,239
New Age with conspiracy and real

2043
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:27,360
nightmarish scenarios reptilians running

2044
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:28,710
the world and that sort of thing

2045
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:31,800
yeah the reptilians don't run the world

2046
01:25:37,129 --> 01:25:34,590
Chris I'm so surprised maybe they do

2047
01:25:39,310 --> 01:25:37,139
maybe they don't but but let me just

2048
01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:39,320
tell you a quick story here I

2049
01:25:45,460 --> 01:25:42,440
she gave me a front row ticket to his 8

2050
01:25:47,890 --> 01:25:45,470
hour seminar had an old theater in

2051
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:47,900
downtown Phoenix here and he packed the

2052
01:25:53,860 --> 01:25:51,140
places 13 1,400 people sitting in the

2053
01:25:55,090 --> 01:25:53,870
aisles and an incredible I don't know

2054
01:25:57,450 --> 01:25:55,100
how much tickets were but they were do

2055
01:25:59,650 --> 01:25:57,460
ridiculously expensive so we're talking

2056
01:26:01,570 --> 01:25:59,660
hundreds of thousands of dollars being

2057
01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:01,580
generated here so I'm in the front row

2058
01:26:05,890 --> 01:26:03,500
with my sunglasses on because I knew at

2059
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:05,900
some point I was gonna fall asleep and I

2060
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:10,010
didn't want to embarrass myself for the

2061
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:12,170
cameras but he spent the whole first

2062
01:26:17,530 --> 01:26:15,250
part of the day the first four hours

2063
01:26:20,050 --> 01:26:17,540
explaining to people that they are

2064
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:20,060
responsible for creating their own

2065
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:23,210
reality and the reality that you create

2066
01:26:29,650 --> 01:26:26,530
is he went backwards and forwards and

2067
01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:29,660
inside now on how important it was to

2068
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:32,840
really create a positive reality and

2069
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:35,570
then the second half of the day which I

2070
01:26:40,930 --> 01:26:38,930
wasn't there for by the way I couldn't

2071
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:40,940
take it I had to leave at the lunch

2072
01:26:45,010 --> 01:26:43,190
break but from what I heard the second

2073
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:45,020
half of the day was him scaring the

2074
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:46,850
bejesus out of everybody with the evil

2075
01:26:51,940 --> 01:26:50,360
Reptoid thing now if one hand he's

2076
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:51,950
saying you got to create your own

2077
01:26:56,620 --> 01:26:53,450
reality and on the other hand he's

2078
01:26:59,320 --> 01:26:56,630
creating the most nightmarish horror

2079
01:27:02,200 --> 01:26:59,330
scenario you could possibly imagine with

2080
01:27:07,090 --> 01:27:02,210
you know baby sacrifices and you know

2081
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:07,100
just ridiculous fear-based stuff isn't

2082
01:27:10,510 --> 01:27:08,330
there a little bit of cognitive

2083
01:27:12,730 --> 01:27:10,520
dissonance going on I think we see the

2084
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:12,740
same thing with the whole wheel cockin

2085
01:27:18,970 --> 01:27:15,760
and in you know the guy am thing as well

2086
01:27:21,670 --> 01:27:18,980
there's a bit of that brewing underneath

2087
01:27:24,010 --> 01:27:21,680
there as well and I think David ICA's is

2088
01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:24,020
probably a model for many of these

2089
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:27,500
people oh yeah oh they would love to be

2090
01:27:30,370 --> 01:27:29,450
able to do what I kiss there's no

2091
01:27:34,150 --> 01:27:30,380
question about it

2092
01:27:38,230 --> 01:27:34,160
he even did Wembley Stadium yes which I

2093
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:38,240
find just frightening well you know

2094
01:27:41,260 --> 01:27:39,650
don't you know that the reptilians are

2095
01:27:46,090 --> 01:27:41,270
so passe it's all about the blue avians

2096
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:46,100
now blue avians are in with the the

2097
01:27:51,470 --> 01:27:49,130
holding the hand sigil of Baphomet or

2098
01:27:53,300 --> 01:27:51,480
something that one picture

2099
01:27:55,220 --> 01:27:53,310
yeah that's that's an interesting thing

2100
01:27:57,620 --> 01:27:55,230
that pops up there why don't we talk

2101
01:27:59,630 --> 01:27:57,630
about Roger Rams or am i gold

2102
01:28:02,300 --> 01:27:59,640
you're diggin on on that particular

2103
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:02,310
individual is quite impressive and quite

2104
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:04,890
disturbing actually that's let's go into

2105
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:06,540
some of the the other characters that

2106
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:08,760
are part of this particular scenario and

2107
01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:12,360
how they're attempting to create a cult

2108
01:28:16,370 --> 01:28:14,910
basically with Corey is Corey's kids and

2109
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:16,380
some of these new developments that are

2110
01:28:21,229 --> 01:28:19,860
they're rather alarming to me yeah we

2111
01:28:23,959 --> 01:28:21,239
have you to thank for a lot of this

2112
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:23,969
information I appreciate it

2113
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:25,800
well the more that I got into it it's

2114
01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:28,410
interesting because when I was doing six

2115
01:28:31,790 --> 01:28:30,360
episodes I'd planned for it and they

2116
01:28:35,959 --> 01:28:31,800
were going to be and maybe one or two

2117
01:28:38,930 --> 01:28:35,969
and what what happened was learning

2118
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:38,940
about this thing that came on the scene

2119
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:40,440
last year which was called full

2120
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:43,380
disclosure now or fdn and sometimes they

2121
01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:45,330
call themselves FDP which is full

2122
01:28:49,340 --> 01:28:47,400
disclosure project they never used the

2123
01:28:51,919 --> 01:28:49,350
term UFO by the way which I always find

2124
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:51,929
interesting so they come out and they

2125
01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,330
start to kind of like pick up all these

2126
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,520
little podcast spots and YouTube

2127
01:29:01,880 --> 01:28:59,580
channels and blogs and stillness in the

2128
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:01,890
storm is one of the blogs that really

2129
01:29:05,180 --> 01:29:03,780
just featured their stuff you know and

2130
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:05,190
they made the stillness and the storm

2131
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:08,130
guy Justin Deschamps one of their kind

2132
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:10,650
of major players very interesting

2133
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:14,310
history on him as well but what happened

2134
01:29:19,970 --> 01:29:16,620
was when I looked into it there were

2135
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:19,980
people around the quarry good thing who

2136
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,890
said look there's a group called fdn

2137
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:24,719
that's running Corey good you have to

2138
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,570
look into this and it was fascinating

2139
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:29,760
because the more I went into it it all

2140
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:31,800
the person who started it all was

2141
01:29:38,510 --> 01:29:34,560
somebody everyone knew is Emma Gold and

2142
01:29:41,060 --> 01:29:38,520
Emma Gold is the name actually Emma

2143
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:41,070
Goldman was the name of this anarchists

2144
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,250
from 1918 and this guy it's sort of

2145
01:29:48,620 --> 01:29:46,320
taken this name up but his he was

2146
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:48,630
putting himself out there as here's get

2147
01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:50,489
ready for name number two Roger Richards

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so don't you think I'm right Daniel that

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if you're going to be three different

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people you make some effort to make each

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persona reasonably different right

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well it's interesting on social media of

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course yeah it's the ability to kind of

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plug in and be different personages

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someone might never actually speak to

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you

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what interestingly enough one of the

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things I found out about this group is

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that they use social media particularly

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well and they created something for

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Corey Goode called the SBA task force

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this is the sphere being alliance that

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Corey Goode talks about that he's a

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member of so that's the SBA in there but

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this SBA task force were Facebook groups

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that were closed groups and you joined

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there and if you were Cory convert they

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could spot you out and if you weren't if

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you said anything you were out you know

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if you said well you know maybe Cory is

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going too far with these stories those

2297
01:35:59,589 --> 01:35:57,919
people get blocked immediately so

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they're looking for real hardcore people

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01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:02,149
but what they would do and this is what

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people inside the group who left it told

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me was that they would put them on the

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boards and say you know we got a program

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we want to get Cory on Gaia TV to get

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his own show now he wants to graduate

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01:36:15,969 --> 01:36:13,789
from being with Wilcock and they would

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01:36:17,799 --> 01:36:15,979
put these people out there on social

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01:36:19,869 --> 01:36:17,809
media and on the guy a message board

2308
01:36:21,969 --> 01:36:19,879
saying we want Cory we want his own show

2309
01:36:25,239 --> 01:36:21,979
we want this but really was just part of

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01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:25,249
the cult this SBA task force would go in

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01:36:29,649 --> 01:36:27,409
there and pretend to be the average

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01:36:30,819 --> 01:36:29,659
public and they would do other things

2313
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:30,829
they would go to certain shows like

2314
01:36:34,569 --> 01:36:32,510
coast-to-coast and be like get more Cory

2315
01:36:35,889 --> 01:36:34,579
good on there and that was one thing

2316
01:36:37,629 --> 01:36:35,899
okay well they're pushing this guy

2317
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:37,639
whatever that's part of the marketing

2318
01:36:42,369 --> 01:36:40,010
campaign but I've also learned and I've

2319
01:36:44,859 --> 01:36:42,379
experienced this SBA task force as soon

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as you reveal something about good or if

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he hasn't you know what he's someone he

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perceives as an enemy in the media they

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evoke set these people after those

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persons channels or those persons

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Facebook or YouTube to try to deep

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platform them and they will say you know

2327
01:37:02,169 --> 01:37:00,559
oh well they're part of some Dark

2328
01:37:04,209 --> 01:37:02,179
Alliance that's against Cory good you

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01:37:06,309 --> 01:37:04,219
have to go there and one of the things

2330
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,319
that Cory did which was pretty major and

2331
01:37:10,929 --> 01:37:08,719
I put it in an episode was he instructed

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his followers to lie in order to get the

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dark journalist YouTube channel down

2334
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,929
even I was shocked by this so very

2335
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publicly he was asking his followers go

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to YouTube and tell them that you know

2337
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this channel is bullying you anything

2338
01:37:23,229 --> 01:37:22,280
just get that channel down because

2339
01:37:25,810 --> 01:37:23,239
they're getting all these facts out

2340
01:37:27,069 --> 01:37:25,820
about us you know basically and that

2341
01:37:29,169 --> 01:37:27,079
came straight from the horse's mouth so

2342
01:37:31,330 --> 01:37:29,179
it's not something that somebody could

2343
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debate and you know he did it on his

2344
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:32,539
Facebook and there it was

2345
01:37:36,339 --> 01:37:34,159
but these task force are very

2346
01:37:39,729 --> 01:37:36,349
interesting because can you imagine for

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01:37:41,410 --> 01:37:39,739
example let's say somebody like a really

2348
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,420
respected researcher in the field around

2349
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:43,280
ethology let's say somebody like Linda

2350
01:37:48,580 --> 01:37:45,920
Moulton Howe or Stan Friedman can you

2351
01:37:50,919 --> 01:37:48,590
imagine them having a task force to

2352
01:37:53,259 --> 01:37:50,929
attack their enemies in the alternative

2353
01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:53,269
media to attack people who are asking

2354
01:37:57,969 --> 01:37:55,340
questions this is really cult-like

2355
01:38:01,509 --> 01:37:57,979
behavior but what I learned over and

2356
01:38:04,330 --> 01:38:01,519
over again is that good was not really

2357
01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:04,340
the person behind all this that it was

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his business partner Roger Rams are who

2359
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with fdn had developed these networks

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now Roger Rams are by the way only shows

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up on the UFO scene in 2016 this is a

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new marketing initiative March of 2016

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try to find him associated with UFO

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stuff before that nothing

2365
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:25,309
he's a importer/exporter on the west

2366
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:27,170
coast involved with all this other stuff

2367
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:30,320
just jumps into the UFO thing because of

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the marketing opportunity and the people

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01:38:36,850 --> 01:38:35,479
who worked closely with him came to me

2370
01:38:38,379 --> 01:38:36,860
and said well this is what they're doing

2371
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their whole thing is about consolidation

2372
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they want to monopolize the field so

2373
01:38:45,129 --> 01:38:42,920
they got close to good and good was like

2374
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hey this is a good idea let's work on

2375
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comic books

2376
01:38:49,959 --> 01:38:48,349
let's do video games and they created a

2377
01:38:52,419 --> 01:38:49,969
thing about Corey's kids where they get

2378
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:52,429
these young youtubers who didn't have a

2379
01:38:56,350 --> 01:38:55,010
lot going on and they would say look you

2380
01:38:58,299 --> 01:38:56,360
know you can volunteer for us we're not

2381
01:39:00,129 --> 01:38:58,309
gonna pay ya but you can go out there

2382
01:39:01,839 --> 01:39:00,139
and say you know I've got this stuff

2383
01:39:04,359 --> 01:39:01,849
about the secret space program I have

2384
01:39:06,549 --> 01:39:04,369
access to Corey Goode I'm an expert so

2385
01:39:08,770 --> 01:39:06,559
they they created these channels you

2386
01:39:11,049 --> 01:39:08,780
know Jordan Saylor and Tracy and arrow

2387
01:39:12,819 --> 01:39:11,059
so the two main Cory's kids that are out

2388
01:39:14,049 --> 01:39:12,829
there doing this stuff you know they

2389
01:39:15,459 --> 01:39:14,059
come out and they're like hey you know

2390
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:15,469
here's the latest thing about the secret

2391
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:17,570
space program you know you have to look

2392
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:19,249
at them and say you know how could

2393
01:39:22,660 --> 01:39:21,050
somebody who just put up a youtube

2394
01:39:24,609 --> 01:39:22,670
channel six months ago know anything

2395
01:39:26,089 --> 01:39:24,619
about the secret space program and what

2396
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:26,099
credentials do you have

2397
01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:27,570
and you look at them and you know there

2398
01:39:31,370 --> 01:39:29,310
are young people who are interested in

2399
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:31,380
trying to do something meaningful maybe

2400
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:32,730
but they don't have any background in

2401
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,800
these topics so they're they're part of

2402
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,679
a marketing campaign and so when we put

2403
01:39:42,379 --> 01:39:39,119
out the Cory's kids stuff

2404
01:39:44,270 --> 01:39:42,389
they knew inside the good camp that all

2405
01:39:46,069 --> 01:39:44,280
this stuff is getting out so they

2406
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:46,079
started to instruct the task for us to

2407
01:39:50,030 --> 01:39:48,179
try to do things to disrupt what we were

2408
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:50,040
doing and they've done this to other

2409
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:51,810
people as a matter of fact one of the

2410
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:53,400
things that we brought up was that they

2411
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:55,050
were using Linda Moulton Howes name in

2412
01:39:59,149 --> 01:39:57,570
association with goods book about the

2413
01:40:01,310 --> 01:39:59,159
secret space program and saying she was

2414
01:40:03,069 --> 01:40:01,320
a co-author you know she came to me and

2415
01:40:05,180 --> 01:40:03,079
said I'm not writing for that book and

2416
01:40:06,649 --> 01:40:05,190
we found all these banners that they

2417
01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:06,659
were promoting the book had contact in

2418
01:40:10,850 --> 01:40:08,940
the desert so it was just outright fraud

2419
01:40:13,069 --> 01:40:10,860
I don't know any other way to put it and

2420
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:13,079
the way that they explained that was oh

2421
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:16,290
there was a typo and then later they

2422
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,090
were like well actually no she did say

2423
01:40:23,450 --> 01:40:20,400
she was gonna do it she did she did and

2424
01:40:25,069 --> 01:40:23,460
then later after that they said well she

2425
01:40:26,810 --> 01:40:25,079
was going to do it but you know it the

2426
01:40:28,819 --> 01:40:26,820
dark journalists made her turn against

2427
01:40:31,729 --> 01:40:28,829
us so they had all these different

2428
01:40:33,709 --> 01:40:31,739
answers and there's an episode that I

2429
01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:33,719
have called the art of the steal New Age

2430
01:40:38,089 --> 01:40:37,020
deep state 5 where we go through the

2431
01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:38,099
different people that they've

2432
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:40,739
plagiarized in alternative media and you

2433
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:43,110
know cliff high was in there Linda

2434
01:40:46,669 --> 01:40:44,639
Moulton Howes in there there's a series

2435
01:40:48,410 --> 01:40:46,679
of them and it's very obvious the

2436
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:48,420
plagiarism that's taken place so you

2437
01:40:51,290 --> 01:40:49,650
have to look at this and say okay a

2438
01:40:53,060 --> 01:40:51,300
marketing campaign came in here they

2439
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:53,070
looked at this set up in 2016 and said

2440
01:40:56,060 --> 01:40:54,449
how can we make the most money out of it

2441
01:40:58,700 --> 01:40:56,070
they looked at Cori good and they said

2442
01:41:01,100 --> 01:40:58,710
he seems like a willing kind of person

2443
01:41:02,569 --> 01:41:01,110
for this that looks pretty good what

2444
01:41:04,010 --> 01:41:02,579
about the scene itself what are the hot

2445
01:41:05,810 --> 01:41:04,020
topics and they looked at things like

2446
01:41:07,850 --> 01:41:05,820
the secret space program like the

2447
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:07,860
breakaway civilization like UFOs like

2448
01:41:10,850 --> 01:41:09,090
the deep state and they said let's give

2449
01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:10,860
these Cory's kids out there we'll have

2450
01:41:14,810 --> 01:41:13,409
them doing YouTube programs etc you know

2451
01:41:16,609 --> 01:41:14,820
they have gear stores or they have

2452
01:41:19,700 --> 01:41:16,619
t-shirts to say yeah the secret space

2453
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:19,710
program so this is the nature of the

2454
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:22,050
thing and it came to this kind of big

2455
01:41:27,859 --> 01:41:25,290
crescendo when that contact in the

2456
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:27,869
desert announced 22 new business

2457
01:41:32,689 --> 01:41:30,449
offerings about offering people therapy

2458
01:41:34,549 --> 01:41:32,699
for disclosure you know like if

2459
01:41:36,169 --> 01:41:34,559
disclosure is bothering you then you can

2460
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,179
join this Corey good therapy Network

2461
01:41:39,799 --> 01:41:38,639
we're going to set up or your kid needs

2462
01:41:41,029 --> 01:41:39,809
to learn about disclosure

2463
01:41:45,049 --> 01:41:41,039
how about this how about a disclosure

2464
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:45,059
backpack for your kid missus this is

2465
01:41:49,699 --> 01:41:47,010
what they were getting into and then

2466
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:49,709
video games comic books and you know

2467
01:41:53,389 --> 01:41:52,050
their biggest champion around this in

2468
01:41:56,899 --> 01:41:53,399
the past few months has been Jimmy

2469
01:42:01,369 --> 01:41:56,909
Church interestingly enough so banked

2470
01:42:03,619 --> 01:42:01,379
him good last week about this yeah ok so

2471
01:42:05,029 --> 01:42:03,629
you get the idea and of course you know

2472
01:42:07,399 --> 01:42:05,039
that's an interesting thing because it

2473
01:42:08,929 --> 01:42:07,409
if you go to these guys conferences and

2474
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:08,939
he's your host and they're paying him to

2475
01:42:13,969 --> 01:42:11,760
host then how objective can that kind of

2476
01:42:17,569 --> 01:42:13,979
journalism be I mean it's you know there

2477
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:17,579
there is employer so this is what we're

2478
01:42:21,049 --> 01:42:19,679
looking at and so it is very unusual I

2479
01:42:23,509 --> 01:42:21,059
don't think we've seen anything quite

2480
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:23,519
like this which is that an organized I

2481
01:42:28,819 --> 01:42:26,280
call it a marketing cult because it's

2482
01:42:31,399 --> 01:42:28,829
really obsession around marketing and it

2483
01:42:34,339 --> 01:42:31,409
acts like a cult and we have this kind

2484
01:42:36,379 --> 01:42:34,349
of push into the UFO field to

2485
01:42:38,509 --> 01:42:36,389
consolidate and remember what the people

2486
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:38,519
who worked with Corey's business partner

2487
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:40,050
they said well he wants to consolidate

2488
01:42:43,419 --> 01:42:41,760
he likes to monopolize well that's what

2489
01:42:47,239 --> 01:42:43,429
we're seeing happening here in the field

2490
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:47,249
there's other elements to that would

2491
01:42:52,069 --> 01:42:49,129
came out in a couple of the interviews

2492
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:52,079
that you had on the show one was a guy

2493
01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:54,030
that was a volunteer for the

2494
01:42:58,399 --> 01:42:56,280
organization he had a couple I think

2495
01:43:01,009 --> 01:42:58,409
tours in Afghanistan as intelligence

2496
01:43:04,009 --> 01:43:01,019
officer if I remember correctly yeah and

2497
01:43:07,129 --> 01:43:04,019
he mentioned something about kind of

2498
01:43:10,099 --> 01:43:07,139
invitation-only parties that people

2499
01:43:12,679 --> 01:43:10,109
later were talking some were a little

2500
01:43:17,509 --> 01:43:12,689
disturbed by you know the word ritual

2501
01:43:19,839 --> 01:43:17,519
came up archons indications that there

2502
01:43:22,459 --> 01:43:19,849
are stuff going on behind the scenes

2503
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:22,469
didn't you know in my guesstimation are

2504
01:43:27,259 --> 01:43:26,249
being designed to to entrain people to

2505
01:43:31,069 --> 01:43:27,269
the message

2506
01:43:33,469 --> 01:43:31,079
keep them under tight control and make

2507
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:33,479
them feel special is is one of the ways

2508
01:43:38,809 --> 01:43:36,050
that cults the cults are able to do this

2509
01:43:43,069 --> 01:43:38,819
sort of brainwash people into thinking

2510
01:43:45,799 --> 01:43:43,079
that they're special and that a lot of

2511
01:43:47,659 --> 01:43:45,809
the process is revolving around them you

2512
01:43:48,859 --> 01:43:47,669
want to discuss this a little bit

2513
01:43:51,060 --> 01:43:48,869
because we don't really have that much

2514
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:51,070
information based on what

2515
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:53,880
I've been able to clean on top of your

2516
01:43:59,220 --> 01:43:58,000
work but what are your feelings about

2517
01:44:01,500 --> 01:43:59,230
that what do you think is going on

2518
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:01,510
behind the scenes with the Cory's kids

2519
01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:05,400
and in some of the real real devotees

2520
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:09,640
well there's no question that what we

2521
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:12,130
hear from people who are in the group is

2522
01:44:18,570 --> 01:44:13,330
that there's a lot of drug use

2523
01:44:21,420 --> 01:44:18,580
associated with it you know and I think

2524
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:21,430
the cult activity is obvious to spot I'm

2525
01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:24,970
you know the blue avian calls the in the

2526
01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:27,190
whole marketing cult around it that part

2527
01:44:32,490 --> 01:44:29,800
is easy what the cult is really trying

2528
01:44:34,770 --> 01:44:32,500
for besides just making money is

2529
01:44:37,290 --> 01:44:34,780
interesting an interesting point and

2530
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:37,300
that takes us to the business partner of

2531
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:41,530
Corey Goode now he had a background with

2532
01:44:47,460 --> 01:44:44,770
a lot of very like satanic Luciferian

2533
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:47,470
imagery as an artist you know and they

2534
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:50,110
had the upside-down pentagrams and you

2535
01:44:58,200 --> 01:44:52,690
know this kind of artwork of selling

2536
01:45:00,300 --> 01:44:58,210
this stuff and he used Lucifer's sigil

2537
01:45:02,580 --> 01:45:00,310
as his business card and also had a

2538
01:45:03,930 --> 01:45:02,590
tattoo of it and you know he was really

2539
01:45:05,550 --> 01:45:03,940
associated with this imagery and the

2540
01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:05,560
more I went into his history he had

2541
01:45:12,270 --> 01:45:09,490
about 15 years of this I'm we're going

2542
01:45:16,410 --> 01:45:12,280
to explore all 15 in our next segment

2543
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:16,420
very talk very fast with the dark

2544
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journalist and Gina and Chris what can I

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2597
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2599
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here's Jane Steinberg the story is just

2600
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beginning we have four more segments and

2601
01:48:08,110 --> 01:48:05,570
I think we'll get to some of this

2602
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:08,120
go ahead Daniel well it's being about

2603
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:09,440
quarry goods business partner he

2604
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,360
definitely was associated with this

2605
01:48:16,690 --> 01:48:14,000
Luciferian satanic imagery and when it

2606
01:48:18,370 --> 01:48:16,700
came up in one of my reports his

2607
01:48:21,130 --> 01:48:18,380
response was all that was a juvenile

2608
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:21,140
lark whatever but all the stuff that I

2609
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:24,050
had showed him using that imagery and

2610
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:26,770
sort of representing himself in that way

2611
01:48:32,050 --> 01:48:30,050
through his early 30s you know and he's

2612
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:32,060
only 38 or something now so there

2613
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:33,920
weren't really good answers going on

2614
01:48:38,860 --> 01:48:36,110
there in relation to the blue avian

2615
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:38,870
image that Corey Goode was using it was

2616
01:48:43,150 --> 01:48:41,780
using a hand signal for Baphomet and I

2617
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:43,160
mean it's just very clear anyone who

2618
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:45,170
looked at it pointed it out

2619
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,970
this wasn't very well explained all they

2620
01:48:52,690 --> 01:48:49,280
could really say was you know well Jesus

2621
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:52,700
used that hand symbol too you know so

2622
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:54,830
you know the way that they explained

2623
01:48:57,460 --> 01:48:55,970
these things was like oh we're being

2624
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,470
targeted and called Satanists or

2625
01:49:01,420 --> 01:48:59,840
whatever but these were real legitimate

2626
01:49:03,100 --> 01:49:01,430
questions that they needed to answer and

2627
01:49:06,190 --> 01:49:03,110
they still haven't answered them very

2628
01:49:08,710 --> 01:49:06,200
well so when we look at them in terms of

2629
01:49:10,330 --> 01:49:08,720
their cult activity and you know the way

2630
01:49:12,490 --> 01:49:10,340
that they act and the way that they

2631
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:12,500
threaten you know people with deep

2632
01:49:16,900 --> 01:49:15,170
platforming them or in some of the cases

2633
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:16,910
of the people who've left the cult you

2634
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:19,040
know they sent them intimidating emails

2635
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:21,290
like you know you'll be identified as an

2636
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:23,690
Illuminati cabal agent and really

2637
01:49:26,770 --> 01:49:25,130
threatening stuff I mean I haven't seen

2638
01:49:29,050 --> 01:49:26,780
this kind of thing around the

2639
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:29,060
alternative media I'm so used to in

2640
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:30,770
alternative media watching out for what

2641
01:49:35,980 --> 01:49:33,650
the mainstream forces will do that when

2642
01:49:37,810 --> 01:49:35,990
we get somebody who's in the field you

2643
01:49:39,580 --> 01:49:37,820
wouldn't expect that you would be seeing

2644
01:49:40,420 --> 01:49:39,590
these types of tactics so it's very

2645
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:40,430
interesting

2646
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:43,250
they act like cults I think that they

2647
01:49:49,450 --> 01:49:45,770
need to be explored and investigated as

2648
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:49,460
a cults because we need to see exactly

2649
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:51,170
what they're up to and now in one of the

2650
01:49:54,850 --> 01:49:52,730
episodes like you said somebody who

2651
01:49:57,610 --> 01:49:54,860
left the cults and this marketing group

2652
01:49:59,200 --> 01:49:57,620
said some of the people who were

2653
01:50:01,570 --> 01:49:59,210
promoted as Cory's kids were talking

2654
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:01,580
about being involved in rituals and so

2655
01:50:04,450 --> 01:50:03,170
what you could say is like let's look at

2656
01:50:05,890 --> 01:50:04,460
it this way they bring these kids on

2657
01:50:07,570 --> 01:50:05,900
board and they say well you know you do

2658
01:50:09,250 --> 01:50:07,580
all this work for us for free and you

2659
01:50:11,110 --> 01:50:09,260
get access to the blue avians and you'll

2660
01:50:13,330 --> 01:50:11,120
get initiated into this blue avian

2661
01:50:15,570 --> 01:50:13,340
Channel or whatever and you get these

2662
01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:15,580
kids and they're 20-somethings I mean

2663
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:17,780
they might be looking at this field and

2664
01:50:21,130 --> 01:50:19,310
saying hey I can get out there I can

2665
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:21,140
talk about you know disclosure and

2666
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:22,610
things and I can get my name out there

2667
01:50:28,330 --> 01:50:24,890
and all the rest of it but how are they

2668
01:50:30,460 --> 01:50:28,340
being used in that sense and what's

2669
01:50:32,890 --> 01:50:30,470
going on there and do you really think

2670
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:32,900
in looking at this cult and looking at

2671
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,330
the marketing program that they have in

2672
01:50:38,140 --> 01:50:36,800
their minds they're obviously thinking

2673
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,150
well we're going to be able to push this

2674
01:50:41,770 --> 01:50:39,920
out there and we'll have this youth

2675
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:41,780
market and we'll get these gear stores

2676
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:43,610
will get comic books and all the rest of

2677
01:50:47,710 --> 01:50:45,710
it I mean this is what they think of the

2678
01:50:49,870 --> 01:50:47,720
field that they're going into good is

2679
01:50:52,630 --> 01:50:49,880
there the ambassador of the cult really

2680
01:50:54,460 --> 01:50:52,640
more than a galactic ambassador and he's

2681
01:50:56,590 --> 01:50:54,470
their ticket you know this is the way

2682
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:56,600
that they're they're pushing it so it's

2683
01:50:59,920 --> 01:50:58,250
interesting because good doesn't have

2684
01:51:01,690 --> 01:50:59,930
any evidence for his wild claims of

2685
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:01,700
being a time-traveling astronaut there's

2686
01:51:06,130 --> 01:51:03,410
nothing there and he was promoted that

2687
01:51:10,690 --> 01:51:06,140
way by Wilcock but now we can see that

2688
01:51:12,460 --> 01:51:10,700
Gaia fdn people like Church for example

2689
01:51:15,220 --> 01:51:12,470
I'll have a lot riding on keeping his

2690
01:51:17,050 --> 01:51:15,230
story going this is why I think if we

2691
01:51:19,300 --> 01:51:17,060
want the truth and alternative

2692
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:19,310
independent journalism something like

2693
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:22,010
this we all have to stop and take a real

2694
01:51:26,530 --> 01:51:24,530
good look at it because there's no

2695
01:51:28,660 --> 01:51:26,540
question that there's something going on

2696
01:51:30,430 --> 01:51:28,670
there that goes far beyond just somebody

2697
01:51:31,420 --> 01:51:30,440
with a wild story that he can't back up

2698
01:51:33,940 --> 01:51:31,430
with any evidence

2699
01:51:36,220 --> 01:51:33,950
yeah and I just hope this isn't a

2700
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:36,230
harbinger of things to come I hope we're

2701
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:39,050
not going to see other people being

2702
01:51:45,370 --> 01:51:42,650
inspired by the potential success of

2703
01:51:48,370 --> 01:51:45,380
this effort you know in outfits like I

2704
01:51:50,860 --> 01:51:48,380
am too I think really need to be looked

2705
01:51:53,710 --> 01:51:50,870
into this yurka character is pretty

2706
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:53,720
interesting I've uncovered several

2707
01:51:58,180 --> 01:51:55,760
people that have had you know not so

2708
01:52:00,760 --> 01:51:58,190
pleasant relationships kind of falling

2709
01:52:03,729 --> 01:52:00,770
apart with the guy he's been around the

2710
01:52:06,700 --> 01:52:03,739
field for a long time you rarely hear

2711
01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:06,710
his name he's extremely wealthy I was

2712
01:52:13,959 --> 01:52:10,270
invited to be on Jay Wyden show and on

2713
01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:13,969
withing Rachael Meredith her show and

2714
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,160
they wanted me to comment on the the

2715
01:52:20,260 --> 01:52:19,040
actual x-rays of the Peruvian three

2716
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:20,270
fingered mummy that they're calling

2717
01:52:25,900 --> 01:52:23,170
Maria which I felt very very interesting

2718
01:52:27,130 --> 01:52:25,910
but that that's that's I've already

2719
01:52:29,860 --> 01:52:27,140
mentioned that on another show but

2720
01:52:33,090 --> 01:52:29,870
walking around that complex boy there's

2721
01:52:35,890 --> 01:52:33,100
some serious money just the gems alone

2722
01:52:37,810 --> 01:52:35,900
the crystals are the huge crystals that

2723
01:52:39,070 --> 01:52:37,820
they had in their we're talking hundreds

2724
01:52:40,750 --> 01:52:39,080
and hundreds of thousands of dollars

2725
01:52:43,150 --> 01:52:40,760
just in some of the the crystals that

2726
01:52:44,380 --> 01:52:43,160
were decorating you know some of the

2727
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,390
more public areas

2728
01:52:49,959 --> 01:52:46,880
you know multi-leveled two or three

2729
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:49,969
floors quite an impressive place with a

2730
01:52:56,050 --> 01:52:53,090
lot of money going into it whenever I

2731
01:53:01,050 --> 01:52:56,060
see a lot of money being applied to a

2732
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,060
melding of the New Age and father G

2733
01:53:05,860 --> 01:53:03,440
difficult not to be you know somewhat

2734
01:53:08,380 --> 01:53:05,870
alarmed you know and again I have not

2735
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:08,390
seen the programs I'm not familiar with

2736
01:53:12,459 --> 01:53:10,070
the shows other than the fact that I was

2737
01:53:14,350 --> 01:53:12,469
on two of them I don't have any idea

2738
01:53:16,930 --> 01:53:14,360
when they'll be broadcast and they

2739
01:53:21,340 --> 01:53:16,940
didn't pay me they just didn't even

2740
01:53:23,650 --> 01:53:21,350
cover all my expenses so I hope that

2741
01:53:25,959 --> 01:53:23,660
this isn't an indication of where things

2742
01:53:27,970 --> 01:53:25,969
are going because if it is I'm going to

2743
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:27,980
retire and just and just wash my hands

2744
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,110
of this whole field because this is

2745
01:53:36,330 --> 01:53:32,480
anthem and what I'm all about and what

2746
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:36,340
my where my interests lie and I'm sure

2747
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:39,710
someone like Jacque fillet who wrote one

2748
01:53:44,440 --> 01:53:41,690
of those seminal works looking at this

2749
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:44,450
potential problem messengers of

2750
01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:46,730
deception back in 79 I'm sure he would

2751
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:49,940
agree that this does not bode well I

2752
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:51,440
think for the field if this is the

2753
01:53:57,340 --> 01:53:54,190
direction that it's going in absolutely

2754
01:53:58,840 --> 01:53:57,350
absolutely it's very interesting with

2755
01:54:01,240 --> 01:53:58,850
Gaia I think that they will play to

2756
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:01,250
whatever they think is popular so for

2757
01:54:04,990 --> 01:54:02,810
example like you said you know if they

2758
01:54:07,450 --> 01:54:05,000
had you on they've had good people on

2759
01:54:08,979 --> 01:54:07,460
Linda Moulton Howe they shot I think ten

2760
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:08,989
episodes of a show with her

2761
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,450
Richard Owens been on that it's not that

2762
01:54:15,820 --> 01:54:14,000
there isn't quality in gaya that they

2763
01:54:17,709 --> 01:54:15,830
don't have a sense for the field it's

2764
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:17,719
that the things that they've promoted

2765
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:19,610
that are popular anyway when they didn't

2766
01:54:22,090 --> 01:54:20,120
vet

2767
01:54:24,460 --> 01:54:22,100
people in particular in cosmic

2768
01:54:26,770 --> 01:54:24,470
disclosure the Nazca mummy I think it's

2769
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:26,780
also looking very very shaky the more

2770
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:28,610
information that comes out about it it

2771
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,610
looks more like you know something that

2772
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:33,440
they should have waited until they got

2773
01:54:37,180 --> 01:54:35,330
real results on to talk about because it

2774
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:37,190
doesn't look like an alien I mean it

2775
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,170
just looks like a mummy well they never

2776
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:41,360
claimed that it was an alien and it

2777
01:54:44,260 --> 01:54:42,890
didn't look like an alien to me it

2778
01:54:47,260 --> 01:54:44,270
looked like some sort of hybridized

2779
01:54:49,930 --> 01:54:47,270
human and looking at the got the digits

2780
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:49,940
and and looking at the connective tissue

2781
01:54:53,980 --> 01:54:52,130
in the x-rays I was very very impressed

2782
01:54:56,190 --> 01:54:53,990
it's either one of them the most

2783
01:54:59,260 --> 01:54:56,200
incredible hoax has ever perpetrated or

2784
01:55:01,900 --> 01:54:59,270
that being had hands and feet like that

2785
01:55:03,730 --> 01:55:01,910
based on my amateur you know appraisal

2786
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:03,740
of the x-rays you cannot see the

2787
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:06,800
connective tissue online in shots of the

2788
01:55:10,450 --> 01:55:08,570
x-rays but if you're holding them in

2789
01:55:13,950 --> 01:55:10,460
your hand up against the window or a

2790
01:55:17,050 --> 01:55:13,960
light table the connective tissue comes

2791
01:55:19,660 --> 01:55:17,060
does not look manipulated it does not

2792
01:55:22,230 --> 01:55:19,670
look manufactured and I to be quite

2793
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:22,240
honest with you I was shocked to see

2794
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:25,850
that I was going in there hoping that

2795
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:28,250
just you know poopoo the whole thing as

2796
01:55:31,660 --> 01:55:29,690
they all look at this look at this here

2797
01:55:34,510 --> 01:55:31,670
look at this here obviously this is you

2798
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:34,520
know in the the severed hand is I think

2799
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:37,850
is obviously a hoax but but that Maria I

2800
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:40,730
saw the original you know large format

2801
01:55:46,930 --> 01:55:44,810
x-rays and it was very intriguing I'm

2802
01:55:48,700 --> 01:55:46,940
really interested to see what the the

2803
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:48,710
complete DNA results because they're

2804
01:55:51,580 --> 01:55:50,480
gonna do a complete analysis at five

2805
01:55:54,220 --> 01:55:51,590
different labs in five different

2806
01:55:56,020 --> 01:55:54,230
countries this preliminary information

2807
01:55:57,970 --> 01:55:56,030
that came back does indicate I think

2808
01:56:01,290 --> 01:55:57,980
that it's in a tomb and although there

2809
01:56:03,670 --> 01:56:01,300
are some question whether that's even I

2810
01:56:05,140 --> 01:56:03,680
haven't even found where gyeom has

2811
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:05,150
actually released that information I

2812
01:56:11,290 --> 01:56:07,690
don't know where that particular DNA

2813
01:56:13,660 --> 01:56:11,300
results where that actually came from it

2814
01:56:17,530 --> 01:56:13,670
just appeared I think a few days ago

2815
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:17,540
about a week ago but yeah you know when

2816
01:56:23,890 --> 01:56:19,760
you see a lot of money out there looking

2817
01:56:24,940 --> 01:56:23,900
to pump up very questionable scenarios

2818
01:56:28,810 --> 01:56:24,950
and individuals

2819
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:28,820
Linda house cash a has long passed

2820
01:56:34,670 --> 01:56:31,690
Linda has been caught red-handed

2821
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:34,680
supporting hoaxes

2822
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:37,230
you know been warned off cases because

2823
01:56:43,130 --> 01:56:40,130
they were disproven to be high strange

2824
01:56:48,110 --> 01:56:43,140
she would continue to support them her

2825
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:48,120
support of the the Kure drones hoax

2826
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:50,130
for years she supported those and even

2827
01:56:53,930 --> 01:56:51,810
came up with this idea that the the

2828
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:53,940
symbols on the drones were matching crop

2829
01:56:58,790 --> 01:56:56,810
circles I mean some pretty kooky stuff

2830
01:57:01,890 --> 01:56:58,800
you know and they have a show called

2831
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:01,900
truth hunter with her her name on it

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you know they're having known Linda for

2835
01:57:12,230 --> 01:57:09,510
25 years she actually trained me how to

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interview people out in the field very

2837
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very good at that one of the top people

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um I just said I think that uh you know

2839
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like like David Wilcock and some of

2840
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these other people she's having to come

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2945
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that the problem with a lot of these

2946
02:02:08,870 --> 02:02:06,090
wacky people out there they come up with

2947
02:02:11,450 --> 02:02:08,880
all these stories and maybe in a few

2948
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:11,460
cases and I won't mention them somebody

2949
02:02:15,620 --> 02:02:14,010
had something weird happened to them and

2950
02:02:20,090 --> 02:02:15,630
they get attention they never expected

2951
02:02:22,700 --> 02:02:20,100
but now people want season 2 season 3

2952
02:02:26,090 --> 02:02:22,710
they want the sequel they want more and

2953
02:02:28,970 --> 02:02:26,100
suddenly what might have started is

2954
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:28,980
something possibly real ends up with

2955
02:02:33,770 --> 02:02:30,690
something that's fake because they have

2956
02:02:35,060 --> 02:02:33,780
to make up a story Stan Berman is a

2957
02:02:38,180 --> 02:02:35,070
perfect example of that

2958
02:02:40,700 --> 02:02:38,190
also someone like a George Adamski would

2959
02:02:43,850 --> 02:02:40,710
be an example of that so you know we do

2960
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:43,860
have people that I think a lot of these

2961
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:46,050
people I if I whip out a little pop

2962
02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:47,970
psychology here they have worthiness

2963
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,880
issues they've never felt validated as

2964
02:02:54,890 --> 02:02:52,800
as people they've never really been

2965
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:54,900
successful most of them and in any

2966
02:02:59,510 --> 02:02:57,810
particular field of endeavor and so this

2967
02:03:03,110 --> 02:02:59,520
is a quick and easy way to get not

2968
02:03:06,740 --> 02:03:03,120
notoriety and now you know the fortune

2969
02:03:09,710 --> 02:03:06,750
that goes along with a notoriety and I'm

2970
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:09,720
not sure if these get your comments on

2971
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:12,170
this I'm not sure if these are very good

2972
02:03:18,110 --> 02:03:16,770
motivations possibly yeah yeah well it's

2973
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:18,120
interesting you mentioned Adamski there

2974
02:03:24,260 --> 02:03:20,130
because what's interesting though even a

2975
02:03:25,610 --> 02:03:24,270
guy like that had UFO footage you know

2976
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:25,620
like this is the interesting thing that

2977
02:03:29,750 --> 02:03:28,050
the threshold is so low now that

2978
02:03:32,180 --> 02:03:29,760
somebody can just literally make up a

2979
02:03:34,190 --> 02:03:32,190
story hire an artist to do some artist

2980
02:03:35,540 --> 02:03:34,200
renditions gaya promotes him and

2981
02:03:36,890 --> 02:03:35,550
suddenly he's in the circuit he's

2982
02:03:39,290 --> 02:03:36,900
running like he said he's doing his own

2983
02:03:40,610 --> 02:03:39,300
conference so it's very interesting but

2984
02:03:42,380 --> 02:03:40,620
I'm glad that he pointed out that you

2985
02:03:44,060 --> 02:03:42,390
thought and looked at this mummy

2986
02:03:47,420 --> 02:03:44,070
seriously because people need to know

2987
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:47,430
that you know when somebody like you or

2988
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:49,530
somebody like me looks at this stuff

2989
02:03:53,260 --> 02:03:51,770
we're not skeptics I don't consider

2990
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:53,270
of a skeptic and it sounded to me from

2991
02:03:56,770 --> 02:03:54,770
what you just said that you're not a

2992
02:03:59,170 --> 02:03:56,780
skeptic by nature you know we know

2993
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:59,180
skeptics are guys like Michael Shermer

2994
02:04:03,130 --> 02:04:01,040
and debunkers who just make up anything

2995
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:03,140
in order to discredit something that's

2996
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:06,080
not real sense of research I've had so

2997
02:04:09,070 --> 02:04:07,370
much stuff happened to me that there's

2998
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:09,080
no way I could be skeptical I know

2999
02:04:12,610 --> 02:04:11,210
there's something going on but I'm sick

3000
02:04:15,580 --> 02:04:12,620
and tired of having to wade through all

3001
02:04:17,860 --> 02:04:15,590
this BS to get to the core and to get to

3002
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:17,870
the truth I will say one thing though

3003
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:20,710
about the Nazca mummy because really

3004
02:04:25,780 --> 02:04:23,570
Gaia is presenting it as an alien mummy

3005
02:04:28,030 --> 02:04:25,790
and I'll tell you why because no one's

3006
02:04:29,650 --> 02:04:28,040
gonna be interested in just a mummy we

3007
02:04:32,380 --> 02:04:29,660
find mummies all the time even odd

3008
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:32,390
mummies we found cone headed mummies

3009
02:04:36,430 --> 02:04:34,850
that with red hair I mean finding a

3010
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:36,440
mummy is no big deal even if it's

3011
02:04:41,380 --> 02:04:38,690
unusual the fact that this one could be

3012
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:41,390
an alien mummy and they had the producer

3013
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:43,970
Jay Widener come on Jimmy churches show

3014
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:45,770
and said oh there might actually be some

3015
02:04:51,490 --> 02:04:48,770
avian in this mummy we'll see and then

3016
02:04:53,170 --> 02:04:51,500
Corey Goode mentioned that cosmic

3017
02:04:54,790 --> 02:04:53,180
disclosure they want this to be a link

3018
02:04:56,890 --> 02:04:54,800
to the blue avians to tie all this

3019
02:04:58,810 --> 02:04:56,900
marketing effort together so we have to

3020
02:05:00,640 --> 02:04:58,820
be real about what guy is up to they're

3021
02:05:01,540 --> 02:05:00,650
not looking for the facts there's no

3022
02:05:03,340 --> 02:05:01,550
question about that

3023
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:03,350
they're good at promotion there's no

3024
02:05:06,370 --> 02:05:04,730
question about it and like you said

3025
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:06,380
they've got the money and when you were

3026
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:07,730
talking about your kahi's got the

3027
02:05:13,060 --> 02:05:10,880
experience one of the things back in my

3028
02:05:16,450 --> 02:05:13,070
days of doing being around financial

3029
02:05:17,980 --> 02:05:16,460
journalism is yurka was a very

3030
02:05:20,710 --> 02:05:17,990
interesting mystery because he showed up

3031
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:20,720
in the fortune 500 and this guy's story

3032
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:22,490
is very unusual because he came here and

3033
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:24,650
supposedly slept on park benches but by

3034
02:05:29,740 --> 02:05:27,050
1987 had half a billion dollars in the

3035
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:29,750
eighties so you know that is a very

3036
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:31,280
interesting question I think there are

3037
02:05:34,990 --> 02:05:32,810
questions about his past that need to be

3038
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:35,000
looked into and maybe he just came in

3039
02:05:39,250 --> 02:05:37,250
with the right crowd we don't know but I

3040
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:39,260
will say this in relation to Gaia but

3041
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:41,090
it's true that they do quality

3042
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:43,760
programming in some respects in their

3043
02:05:48,610 --> 02:05:45,770
history and that I think it's a serious

3044
02:05:51,250 --> 02:05:48,620
deviation shows like they're promoting

3045
02:05:53,260 --> 02:05:51,260
my cosmic disclosure which really not

3046
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:53,270
only do they not vet the source in this

3047
02:06:00,160 --> 02:05:57,290
case but to let the kind of a line go so

3048
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:00,170
far is something that there is a kind of

3049
02:06:04,270 --> 02:06:01,730
responsibility call it an editorial

3050
02:06:05,609 --> 02:06:04,280
responsibility at a company even if they

3051
02:06:07,770 --> 02:06:05,619
think a show is doing well

3052
02:06:10,139 --> 02:06:07,780
so you know they've definitely taken a

3053
02:06:12,689 --> 02:06:10,149
lot of entertainment license and like I

3054
02:06:15,149 --> 02:06:12,699
said I think when you do that and you

3055
02:06:16,949 --> 02:06:15,159
have a show if you identify it as just

3056
02:06:18,500 --> 02:06:16,959
this crazy speculation show that's one

3057
02:06:21,479 --> 02:06:18,510
thing but to present it as authentic

3058
02:06:22,649 --> 02:06:21,489
then you have that schism set up where

3059
02:06:23,969 --> 02:06:22,659
like you were talking about when you

3060
02:06:25,439 --> 02:06:23,979
went to contact in a dozen you're like

3061
02:06:26,879 --> 02:06:25,449
these people are lining up for it well

3062
02:06:29,279 --> 02:06:26,889
they're lining up for it because guys

3063
02:06:32,489 --> 02:06:29,289
presenting it is the real thing when you

3064
02:06:36,509 --> 02:06:32,499
talk about this mummy I think Roswell

3065
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:36,519
slides that mummy this was influenced by

3066
02:06:42,209 --> 02:06:38,169
that but they're trying to market it

3067
02:06:43,919 --> 02:06:42,219
better oh that one was unbelievable and

3068
02:06:46,290 --> 02:06:43,929
it did suck in some of the best people

3069
02:06:48,270 --> 02:06:46,300
like Dolan to it which is unfortunate

3070
02:06:51,869 --> 02:06:48,280
we gave him a hard time here we had him

3071
02:06:53,399 --> 02:06:51,879
on the power cast live from Mexico right

3072
02:06:56,939 --> 02:06:53,409
here's what happened

3073
02:06:58,979 --> 02:06:56,949
we had red pill junky whom you might

3074
02:07:02,520 --> 02:06:58,989
know does a lot of blogging on the

3075
02:07:05,699 --> 02:07:02,530
paranormal and he lives in Mexico and he

3076
02:07:07,679 --> 02:07:05,709
went there we got his direct on the side

3077
02:07:09,959 --> 02:07:07,689
impression and I know as Dolan was

3078
02:07:12,479 --> 02:07:09,969
online so I said come on let's talk

3079
02:07:15,899 --> 02:07:12,489
about it briefly and I think there was a

3080
02:07:17,219 --> 02:07:15,909
lot of a bomb in what he said then we

3081
02:07:20,489 --> 02:07:17,229
had him on the show a little bit later

3082
02:07:24,329 --> 02:07:20,499
to expand upon it but I really think

3083
02:07:26,609 --> 02:07:24,339
here he didn't do himself any favors no

3084
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:26,619
to go there to participate in it and

3085
02:07:33,299 --> 02:07:30,729
certainly the Roswell people like Tom

3086
02:07:36,319 --> 02:07:33,309
Carey and Don Schmidt who embraced it so

3087
02:07:40,169 --> 02:07:36,329
quickly they were so desperate to find

3088
02:07:42,899 --> 02:07:40,179
something fun this wins the Teflon twins

3089
02:07:44,729 --> 02:07:42,909
Schmidt still still he's been speaking

3090
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:44,739
at conferences left and right man it's

3091
02:07:50,129 --> 02:07:47,199
like they like it didn't happen going to

3092
02:07:52,829 --> 02:07:50,139
move on just to just to crash the the

3093
02:07:54,299 --> 02:07:52,839
punchbowl dry a month ago and there's

3094
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:54,309
John venturi walking around like he

3095
02:07:58,500 --> 02:07:56,530
owned the place these people he put in

3096
02:08:03,959 --> 02:07:58,510
five thousand dollars a year maybe he

3097
02:08:05,309 --> 02:08:03,969
does these people have no shame well I

3098
02:08:09,869 --> 02:08:05,319
think we're looking at an interesting

3099
02:08:11,909 --> 02:08:09,879
stage of this field of Lucy because UFOs

3100
02:08:14,189 --> 02:08:11,919
it really encompasses a lot of different

3101
02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:14,199
research areas when you think about it

3102
02:08:17,909 --> 02:08:15,609
because people who think about

3103
02:08:18,350 --> 02:08:17,919
government conspiracies and cover-ups of

3104
02:08:23,090 --> 02:08:18,360
it

3105
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:23,100
into the fact that there was non-si

3106
02:08:26,899 --> 02:08:25,290
technology get into UFOs people who

3107
02:08:29,149 --> 02:08:26,909
think about off world civilizations

3108
02:08:32,359 --> 02:08:29,159
obviously get into UFOs and then there's

3109
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:32,369
the real lineage of people back from

3110
02:08:36,740 --> 02:08:35,250
Betty and Barney Hill you know looking

3111
02:08:39,169 --> 02:08:36,750
through all these abduction experiences

3112
02:08:41,810 --> 02:08:39,179
that these people have had you know so

3113
02:08:44,959 --> 02:08:41,820
you have all these these people and this

3114
02:08:47,629 --> 02:08:44,969
research and this data but there's also

3115
02:08:49,729 --> 02:08:47,639
a culture around it and I think what

3116
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:49,739
we're seeing in the last five years in

3117
02:08:57,050 --> 02:08:52,560
particular is that culture has broken

3118
02:08:59,330 --> 02:08:57,060
down because a lot of the stories a lot

3119
02:09:01,040 --> 02:08:59,340
of the good cases are not really out

3120
02:09:04,609 --> 02:09:01,050
there either they're not happening as

3121
02:09:06,740 --> 02:09:04,619
much or it's more of a social stigma I'm

3122
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:06,750
not sure why there aren't as many good

3123
02:09:12,830 --> 02:09:10,290
abduction cases for example but instead

3124
02:09:15,859 --> 02:09:12,840
what we have is a gradual lowering of

3125
02:09:19,640 --> 02:09:15,869
the bar and I think that we have seen a

3126
02:09:22,220 --> 02:09:19,650
lot of the older good UFO researchers

3127
02:09:24,500 --> 02:09:22,230
either die or retire or just become less

3128
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:24,510
active and not a lot of people around to

3129
02:09:29,060 --> 02:09:26,880
take their place and so there's a void

3130
02:09:31,010 --> 02:09:29,070
and a vacuum and I call them the hoax

3131
02:09:35,660 --> 02:09:31,020
mafia this is light a new term for them

3132
02:09:38,030 --> 02:09:35,670
come in and really try to monopolize the

3133
02:09:40,700 --> 02:09:38,040
scene based on the research that these

3134
02:09:42,350 --> 02:09:40,710
people have done over 50 years and come

3135
02:09:44,180 --> 02:09:42,360
in and capitalize in the fact that well

3136
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:44,190
you know people know about UFOs they

3137
02:09:47,930 --> 02:09:46,560
knows real history but people might not

3138
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:47,940
be able to tell the difference between a

3139
02:09:52,399 --> 02:09:50,400
real case or at least a case that has

3140
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,409
some legitimate background that's been

3141
02:09:56,750 --> 02:09:54,719
looked into by serious researchers in a

3142
02:10:00,530 --> 02:09:56,760
case like good which is obviously made

3143
02:10:03,580 --> 02:10:00,540
up you know I looked into his story very

3144
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:03,590
carefully for the series I found nothing

3145
02:10:09,260 --> 02:10:06,570
absolutely nothing to support any of his

3146
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:09,270
assertions zero you know when I think of

3147
02:10:13,220 --> 02:10:11,250
Corey Goode I think of Edgar Rice

3148
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Burroughs and John Carter of Mars and

3149
02:10:16,669 --> 02:10:14,909
I'll explain why if folks who haven't

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read the story we got more to come with

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this is a skirt 7 the author of UFO

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mysteries and you're listening to the

3266
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parrot yes so we go back to I guess the

3267
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:56,489
late Civil War right around the Civil

3268
02:15:04,699 --> 02:15:01,199
War where John Carter somehow has this

3269
02:15:06,739 --> 02:15:04,709
romantic attachment to Mars and He wills

3270
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:06,749
himself to go to Mars while his body

3271
02:15:10,459 --> 02:15:09,840
stays here I'm not at all certain in the

3272
02:15:12,830 --> 02:15:10,469
story

3273
02:15:15,620 --> 02:15:12,840
I don't recall whether his body aged

3274
02:15:19,580 --> 02:15:15,630
here I don't think it did so while he's

3275
02:15:23,419 --> 02:15:19,590
in Mars or his other self his astral

3276
02:15:26,569 --> 02:15:23,429
being whatever is on Mars and undergoing

3277
02:15:29,179 --> 02:15:26,579
his life he stays here in some kind of

3278
02:15:31,580 --> 02:15:29,189
stasis or something which is almost kind

3279
02:15:33,169 --> 02:15:31,590
of sort of what Corey Goode did of

3280
02:15:36,169 --> 02:15:33,179
course it was a movie version of John

3281
02:15:38,479 --> 02:15:36,179
Carter a few years ago and there they

3282
02:15:40,939 --> 02:15:38,489
used some kind of advanced mechanism to

3283
02:15:44,719 --> 02:15:40,949
enable the transfer to transport him

3284
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,729
from Earth to Mars but if you go back to

3285
02:15:49,699 --> 02:15:46,800
the original story you can see the

3286
02:15:52,339 --> 02:15:49,709
influence maybe Corey Goode saw John

3287
02:15:54,500 --> 02:15:52,349
Carter the movie and may not this entire

3288
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:54,510
thing from it how far back does he go

3289
02:16:01,819 --> 02:15:57,360
wow that's really interesting there are

3290
02:16:03,859 --> 02:16:01,829
a number of cases and people's stories

3291
02:16:08,299 --> 02:16:03,869
where you know we can see everything

3292
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:08,309
from Deep Space nine to different

3293
02:16:12,589 --> 02:16:09,570
stories that have come out of the kind

3294
02:16:15,770 --> 02:16:12,599
of Project Camelot project Avalon strata

3295
02:16:19,219 --> 02:16:15,780
of whistleblowers and the kind of

3296
02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:19,229
plagiarism that they do so you know good

3297
02:16:23,719 --> 02:16:22,079
in the story for example with what he

3298
02:16:26,479 --> 02:16:23,729
came out with initially it's no big deal

3299
02:16:28,609 --> 02:16:26,489
you can listen to it you know he talks

3300
02:16:30,350 --> 02:16:28,619
literally about kind of a MyLab style

3301
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:30,360
experience which you know we there's a

3302
02:16:34,129 --> 02:16:31,679
lot of different people who've had those

3303
02:16:38,899 --> 02:16:34,139
from melinda Leslie I guess was the most

3304
02:16:42,500 --> 02:16:38,909
prominent one and but good his story

3305
02:16:44,419 --> 02:16:42,510
like we were saying grew and it became

3306
02:16:46,490 --> 02:16:44,429
more expanded and blue avians got

3307
02:16:48,679 --> 02:16:46,500
involved it's feared being Alliance and

3308
02:16:50,809 --> 02:16:48,689
you know his role in Antarctica and in

3309
02:16:52,459 --> 02:16:50,819
earth princesses all that stuff but

3310
02:16:53,610 --> 02:16:52,469
there were so many different sources

3311
02:16:58,110 --> 02:16:53,620
that

3312
02:16:59,940 --> 02:16:58,120
lost track at a certain point and the

3313
02:17:02,820 --> 02:16:59,950
kind of plagiarism that we saw was

3314
02:17:05,700 --> 02:17:02,830
interesting because the marketing

3315
02:17:07,530 --> 02:17:05,710
campaign also plagiarized people so you

3316
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:07,540
know cliff high was doing these alter

3317
02:17:11,220 --> 02:17:09,850
reports where he runs all these things

3318
02:17:14,580 --> 02:17:11,230
through his different web bots and he

3319
02:17:16,830 --> 02:17:14,590
gets trans in society and he realized

3320
02:17:19,020 --> 02:17:16,840
that they were reusing his content as

3321
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:19,030
their news story about Antarctica for

3322
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:21,040
example and cliff high really got ticked

3323
02:17:25,800 --> 02:17:24,010
about this and came out and but before

3324
02:17:28,290 --> 02:17:25,810
he did he put out a packet of

3325
02:17:30,270 --> 02:17:28,300
information to see like a test pack at a

3326
02:17:32,190 --> 02:17:30,280
trial run to see if they would pick up

3327
02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:32,200
on that and regurgitate it it wasn't

3328
02:17:35,450 --> 02:17:34,210
based on any of his actual research and

3329
02:17:38,340 --> 02:17:35,460
of course they picked it up immediately

3330
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:38,350
and so he showed examples of this so

3331
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:41,650
what's interesting is from a number of

3332
02:17:46,740 --> 02:17:44,170
different areas we see this plagiarism

3333
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:46,750
taking place and you know people like

3334
02:17:50,730 --> 02:17:48,490
artists and stuff have told me well you

3335
02:17:52,350 --> 02:17:50,740
know I gave him this artwork or whatever

3336
02:17:53,940 --> 02:17:52,360
and then they said no we don't want to

3337
02:17:54,900 --> 02:17:53,950
use it and then two weeks later they

3338
02:17:57,209 --> 02:17:54,910
came out with something that looked

3339
02:17:58,890 --> 02:17:57,219
exactly the same so there was this

3340
02:18:00,900 --> 02:17:58,900
aspect going on there so I think

3341
02:18:02,459 --> 02:18:00,910
whatever is this apparatus around good

3342
02:18:03,930 --> 02:18:02,469
either it's a high-pressure thing

3343
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:03,940
because they need to produce content

3344
02:18:08,669 --> 02:18:06,610
like we're talking about but they really

3345
02:18:11,430 --> 02:18:08,679
rely on information that's already out

3346
02:18:12,990 --> 02:18:11,440
there and so in terms of your example

3347
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:13,000
absolutely you know that's probably

3348
02:18:17,310 --> 02:18:15,370
another thing that he came across it

3349
02:18:19,590 --> 02:18:17,320
sounds like Hollywood Hollywood steel

3350
02:18:22,470 --> 02:18:19,600
stuff all the time true and I don't have

3351
02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:22,480
a problem with somebody integrating and

3352
02:18:26,730 --> 02:18:24,490
synthesizing topics I'm sure it's done

3353
02:18:28,770 --> 02:18:26,740
in a variety of areas the problem with

3354
02:18:30,690 --> 02:18:28,780
this is it's presented its original

3355
02:18:33,240 --> 02:18:30,700
content and remember he's the sole

3356
02:18:36,930 --> 02:18:33,250
galactic ambassador in his wild story of

3357
02:18:38,610 --> 02:18:36,940
this Space Alliance now all the good

3358
02:18:41,129 --> 02:18:38,620
research done around the secret space

3359
02:18:43,620 --> 02:18:41,139
program like the missing trillions work

3360
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:43,630
that Katherine Austin Fitz has done you

3361
02:18:47,160 --> 02:18:44,889
know she's a government investigator

3362
02:18:49,590 --> 02:18:47,170
with a background on Wall Street and I

3363
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:49,600
spent time with her and I know very well

3364
02:18:53,430 --> 02:18:51,280
that the missing trillions aspect is

3365
02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:53,440
something that she came up with based on

3366
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:56,170
her budgetary research of where the

3367
02:18:59,370 --> 02:18:57,760
Department of Defense was losing all

3368
02:19:01,770 --> 02:18:59,380
this money every year and that went

3369
02:19:04,290 --> 02:19:01,780
missing you see that also goes back

3370
02:19:06,410 --> 02:19:04,300
speaking of conspiracies to Donald

3371
02:19:09,290 --> 02:19:06,420
Rumsfeld on the

3372
02:19:11,570 --> 02:19:09,300
before nine eleven on nine ten talking

3373
02:19:13,310 --> 02:19:11,580
about what the Pentagon not accounting

3374
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:13,320
for several trillion dollars of money

3375
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:16,050
now supposedly they've explained that

3376
02:19:21,110 --> 02:19:19,200
away as just well it was the way it was

3377
02:19:23,330 --> 02:19:21,120
accounted for in that sort of thing and

3378
02:19:25,940 --> 02:19:23,340
then you have 9/11 this next day so who

3379
02:19:28,310 --> 02:19:25,950
knows it is very unusual in that that is

3380
02:19:29,780 --> 02:19:28,320
where a lot of this came from what's

3381
02:19:31,490 --> 02:19:29,790
interesting though is the DoD came out

3382
02:19:34,780 --> 02:19:31,500
with a report recently saying they

3383
02:19:39,620 --> 02:19:34,790
couldn't reconcile six point five

3384
02:19:41,810 --> 02:19:39,630
billion dollars and you know the the

3385
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:41,820
amount of money that goes missing

3386
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:43,170
I'm sorry six point five trillion

3387
02:19:50,090 --> 02:19:46,170
dollars so sure what's a billion or a

3388
02:19:51,710 --> 02:19:50,100
trillion among friends but it is

3389
02:19:53,060 --> 02:19:51,720
interesting because this came up again

3390
02:19:55,130 --> 02:19:53,070
recently and I was like isn't that

3391
02:19:56,510 --> 02:19:55,140
fascinating because you know if you go

3392
02:19:58,969 --> 02:19:56,520
back and you look at the Rumsfeld thing

3393
02:20:01,790 --> 02:19:58,979
well now we're three times as much in

3394
02:20:03,170 --> 02:20:01,800
terms of the missing reconciliations and

3395
02:20:04,610 --> 02:20:03,180
I'm sure report will come out in a

3396
02:20:06,290 --> 02:20:04,620
couple of years saying oh it's just a

3397
02:20:10,219 --> 02:20:06,300
computer thing and we reconcile that no

3398
02:20:13,730 --> 02:20:10,229
problem but in her work she studies how

3399
02:20:16,100 --> 02:20:13,740
the space aspect the space economy is

3400
02:20:18,050 --> 02:20:16,110
being built up before anybody can really

3401
02:20:20,450 --> 02:20:18,060
get their hands on it you know I'm from

3402
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:20,460
a regular public vantage point meanwhile

3403
02:20:25,010 --> 02:20:23,010
NASA's budget being shrunk back to

3404
02:20:27,620 --> 02:20:25,020
nineteen sixty five levels so there's

3405
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,630
some something going on there where we

3406
02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:30,000
look at the space program where since

3407
02:20:34,010 --> 02:20:31,590
the 70s they haven't really done a whole

3408
02:20:36,520 --> 02:20:34,020
heck of a lot so what is it what's the

3409
02:20:39,170 --> 02:20:36,530
disconnect there why did it go black and

3410
02:20:41,480 --> 02:20:39,180
her hypothesis mainly is that they

3411
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:41,490
created a gigantic infrastructure for

3412
02:20:46,429 --> 02:20:43,530
private space interests using public

3413
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:46,439
money now that's something that good and

3414
02:20:49,460 --> 02:20:48,090
Wilcock and all those people you know

3415
02:20:51,170 --> 02:20:49,470
picked up on and they started pushing

3416
02:20:54,590 --> 02:20:51,180
hey missing trillions you know we'll use

3417
02:20:56,270 --> 02:20:54,600
that so and this is what I don't like as

3418
02:20:58,219 --> 02:20:56,280
you see it over and over again where

3419
02:21:00,410 --> 02:20:58,229
they'll reach into different areas and

3420
02:21:01,940 --> 02:21:00,420
reuse the topics so it's one thing to

3421
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:01,950
say hey you know Catherine Austin fits

3422
02:21:05,719 --> 02:21:03,570
reported this stuff and we think it's

3423
02:21:07,460 --> 02:21:05,729
right but instead they'll say I've been

3424
02:21:09,770 --> 02:21:07,470
given special Intel about missing

3425
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:09,780
trillions and oh you know this the

3426
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:11,520
leaders of this world the Cabal is going

3427
02:21:17,230 --> 02:21:14,070
to be arrested and you know it sets them

3428
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:17,240
up to be some kind of lofty cult leader

3429
02:21:22,421 --> 02:21:20,000
you know with inside Intel and a special

3430
02:21:24,910 --> 02:21:22,431
place and this is I think the thing that

3431
02:21:26,650 --> 02:21:24,920
needs to be some people won't get that

3432
02:21:28,211 --> 02:21:26,660
information about missing trillions for

3433
02:21:30,551 --> 02:21:28,221
the first time from somebody like good

3434
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:30,561
and they'll think it's legit because the

3435
02:21:34,511 --> 02:21:32,570
actual topic will make sense to them but

3436
02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:34,521
unfortunately the channel in this case

3437
02:21:38,591 --> 02:21:36,290
is just somebody grabbing somebody

3438
02:21:41,620 --> 02:21:38,601
else's work to make himself in his show

3439
02:21:42,910 --> 02:21:41,630
get bigger ratings and for him to get a

3440
02:21:45,370 --> 02:21:42,920
bigger paycheck at the end of the day

3441
02:21:47,530 --> 02:21:45,380
Chris you mentioned something with

3442
02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:47,540
regard to secret space programs that

3443
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:50,800
your friend Ron where Gear had mentioned

3444
02:21:57,310 --> 02:21:53,840
do you recall what I'm saying yeah we

3445
02:21:59,320 --> 02:21:57,320
are on the air worked on pretty much

3446
02:22:03,040 --> 02:21:59,330
most of our classified satellite

3447
02:22:05,320 --> 02:22:03,050
programs for about 3035 years yeah he

3448
02:22:08,580 --> 02:22:05,330
did some work on Skylab and I think

3449
02:22:13,930 --> 02:22:11,680
he was an engineer who's plugged into

3450
02:22:17,381 --> 02:22:13,940
the you know to the kind of the black

3451
02:22:19,720 --> 02:22:17,391
world somewhat because they're all

3452
02:22:21,540 --> 02:22:19,730
fighting over the same materials there's

3453
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:21,550
certain kinds of materials that you need

3454
02:22:28,060 --> 02:22:26,240
for satellites for any space type of

3455
02:22:32,381 --> 02:22:28,070
vehicle or any anything having to do

3456
02:22:34,091 --> 02:22:32,391
with with sending something you know up

3457
02:22:36,250 --> 02:22:34,101
into space there's certain materials

3458
02:22:37,511 --> 02:22:36,260
that are that are hard to get ahold of

3459
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:37,521
and they're they're constantly fighting

3460
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:39,650
over them and he made the comment that

3461
02:22:45,820 --> 02:22:42,650
he didn't think that there was a real

3462
02:22:48,190 --> 02:22:45,830
robust secret space program because he

3463
02:22:50,381 --> 02:22:48,200
said you we would have heard about it we

3464
02:22:53,051 --> 02:22:50,391
would have heard about requisitions of

3465
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:53,061
particular types of materials we would

3466
02:22:57,520 --> 02:22:54,530
have heard through the grapevine that Oh

3467
02:23:00,551 --> 02:22:57,530
so-and-so's you know got a new contract

3468
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:00,561
or such as such you know as appears to

3469
02:23:05,381 --> 02:23:02,690
be going you know given the go-ahead to

3470
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work on something really cool there's a

3471
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:07,190
lot of scuttlebutt that goes you know

3472
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behind on behind the scenes among

3473
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associates within the classified

3474
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aerospace world and Ron was plugged into

3475
02:23:19,660 --> 02:23:16,431
all that and he said that there's no

3476
02:23:22,390 --> 02:23:19,670
indication at all to him that that there

3477
02:23:25,631 --> 02:23:22,400
is any sort of robust program because

3478
02:23:28,940 --> 02:23:25,641
quite frankly they the requisitions

3479
02:23:31,730 --> 02:23:28,950
don't match they you know the

3480
02:23:33,380 --> 02:23:31,740
the cause of fantasies as the facts of

3481
02:23:36,880 --> 02:23:33,390
the requisitions don't match the fantasy

3482
02:23:40,910 --> 02:23:36,890
now I'm not sure if I believe that 100%

3483
02:23:43,100 --> 02:23:40,920
you know I'm not sure that even someone

3484
02:23:46,210 --> 02:23:43,110
as connected as wrong and maybe did not

3485
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:46,220
hear about certain things or he may be

3486
02:23:50,900 --> 02:23:48,720
supplying some subtle disinformation to

3487
02:23:53,570 --> 02:23:50,910
try to keep me off track I don't know I

3488
02:23:56,120 --> 02:23:53,580
don't know for certain but it does kind

3489
02:23:58,460 --> 02:23:56,130
of make sense that's on the surface that

3490
02:24:01,940 --> 02:23:58,470
that you know certain types of materials

3491
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are in high demand and would be it would

3492
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:05,700
be telling if certain projects that were

3493
02:24:09,380 --> 02:24:07,530
never really revealed we're

3494
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:09,390
requisitioning some of these these

3495
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:12,000
materials let's do our break here for

3496
02:24:16,940 --> 02:24:13,680
the final segment with a dark journalist

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and Daniel's comments of what Chris just

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[Music]

3602
02:28:57,940 --> 02:28:48,370
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3603
02:29:01,490 --> 02:29:00,920
well you know I thought the show just

3604
02:29:03,500 --> 02:29:01,500
started

3605
02:29:05,870 --> 02:29:03,510
I'm looking down at my log I do a log

3606
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:05,880
ladies and gentlemen for each segment to

3607
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:07,410
know what's going on and how long it's

3608
02:29:13,490 --> 02:29:09,930
supposed to take and I looked up my god

3609
02:29:15,980 --> 02:29:13,500
we're on the final segment so Daniel I

3610
02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:15,990
asked Chris to mention that with regard

3611
02:29:21,350 --> 02:29:18,090
to the credibility of a secret space

3612
02:29:23,091 --> 02:29:21,360
program and whether you know defense

3613
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:23,101
contractors people who build the

3614
02:29:28,761 --> 02:29:25,680
hardware for spaceships and satellites

3615
02:29:30,620 --> 02:29:28,771
and stuff whether they know something

3616
02:29:32,210 --> 02:29:30,630
was up what do you think I think it's

3617
02:29:33,950 --> 02:29:32,220
very interesting it's very interesting

3618
02:29:36,740 --> 02:29:33,960
it's another data point to consider

3619
02:29:39,170 --> 02:29:36,750
whenever you know someone who's involved

3620
02:29:40,820 --> 02:29:39,180
on that level it gives us an extra eye

3621
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:40,830
on the situation that we wouldn't have

3622
02:29:45,950 --> 02:29:42,960
otherwise but I think that there are

3623
02:29:49,700 --> 02:29:45,960
programs even like the space fence for

3624
02:29:50,360 --> 02:29:49,710
example that are ostensibly for one type

3625
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:50,370
of purpose

3626
02:29:55,580 --> 02:29:53,040
cleaning up space junk in that case that

3627
02:29:58,430 --> 02:29:55,590
can easily be used for something else

3628
02:30:02,841 --> 02:29:58,440
if the regular space program really went

3629
02:30:04,131 --> 02:30:02,851
dark in the 70s then what they have 40

3630
02:30:06,890 --> 02:30:04,141
years of infrastructure there including

3631
02:30:09,381 --> 02:30:06,900
SDI Star Wars the whole Reagan era

3632
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:09,391
aspects around that what happened with

3633
02:30:13,100 --> 02:30:11,040
all that research that they did for SDI

3634
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:13,110
when we look at things like Bigelow

3635
02:30:16,881 --> 02:30:15,120
Aerospace for example or SpaceX they're

3636
02:30:18,830 --> 02:30:16,891
gonna be some of the first you know

3637
02:30:20,750 --> 02:30:18,840
Richard Branson's company they're gonna

3638
02:30:23,240 --> 02:30:20,760
be the first ones out in space offering

3639
02:30:25,131 --> 02:30:23,250
trips to space and luxury accommodations

3640
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:25,141
out there there's going to be a lot of

3641
02:30:29,511 --> 02:30:27,690
apparatus out there and there's gonna be

3642
02:30:30,770 --> 02:30:29,521
a lot of corporate secrets in addition

3643
02:30:32,930 --> 02:30:30,780
to government secrets and there's gonna

3644
02:30:35,660 --> 02:30:32,940
be an awful lot of need-to-know stuff

3645
02:30:39,290 --> 02:30:35,670
that's just on the regular kind of

3646
02:30:40,730 --> 02:30:39,300
market level and the corporate level and

3647
02:30:42,350 --> 02:30:40,740
you know government working with

3648
02:30:44,930 --> 02:30:42,360
corporations level they'll be secrets

3649
02:30:47,511 --> 02:30:44,940
let's say something else let's say if

3650
02:30:48,860 --> 02:30:47,521
there were offworld civilizations or if

3651
02:30:51,020 --> 02:30:48,870
there was something else out there that

3652
02:30:52,580 --> 02:30:51,030
they couldn't understand or they

3653
02:30:54,801 --> 02:30:52,590
couldn't comprehend even after all these

3654
02:30:57,230 --> 02:30:54,811
years they're gonna have really

3655
02:30:59,591 --> 02:30:57,240
heavy-duty secrecy protocols in place so

3656
02:31:03,200 --> 02:30:59,601
that that doesn't get revealed and

3657
02:31:06,500 --> 02:31:03,210
therefore it might be very tricky to

3658
02:31:09,180 --> 02:31:06,510
track a secret space program because the

3659
02:31:13,081 --> 02:31:09,190
secrecy protocols are based around

3660
02:31:16,171 --> 02:31:13,091
this UFO reality and the UFO reality has

3661
02:31:18,661 --> 02:31:16,181
been classified higher than the atomic

3662
02:31:21,390 --> 02:31:18,671
in the Manhattan Project according to

3663
02:31:23,791 --> 02:31:21,400
certain researchers working on pretty

3664
02:31:26,041 --> 02:31:23,801
good material so therefore that level of

3665
02:31:28,110 --> 02:31:26,051
secrecy you know how much can we expect

3666
02:31:30,421 --> 02:31:28,120
to penetrate it just from the level of

3667
02:31:32,251 --> 02:31:30,431
being here on earth and looking looking

3668
02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:32,261
around at some of the missing money

3669
02:31:36,270 --> 02:31:34,210
that's happening I mean it's very tricky

3670
02:31:37,950 --> 02:31:36,280
stuff if I were to lay odds I'd say

3671
02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:37,960
there is a secret space program because

3672
02:31:42,930 --> 02:31:40,210
there's enough of a trail there to

3673
02:31:43,501 --> 02:31:42,940
convince me that we'd want to be ahead

3674
02:31:45,780 --> 02:31:43,511
of the game

3675
02:31:46,831 --> 02:31:45,790
that's probably my my statement on that

3676
02:31:49,020 --> 02:31:46,841
although I think it's interesting what

3677
02:31:51,810 --> 02:31:49,030
he said then Joseph Farrell's work is to

3678
02:31:54,270 --> 02:31:51,820
be recommended here remember the the

3679
02:31:55,860 --> 02:31:54,280
account of the the guys that were busted

3680
02:31:59,070 --> 02:31:55,870
the I think they were Japanese were

3681
02:32:00,450 --> 02:31:59,080
busted on a Swiss train with trillion

3682
02:32:02,700 --> 02:32:00,460
dollars with the bearer bonds or

3683
02:32:05,190 --> 02:32:02,710
something and look at some of these real

3684
02:32:06,871 --> 02:32:05,200
high denomination bonds have a picture

3685
02:32:08,661 --> 02:32:06,881
of Kennedy on one side in the in the

3686
02:32:10,801 --> 02:32:08,671
moon on the other or something that

3687
02:32:14,220 --> 02:32:10,811
sounds interesting and of course

3688
02:32:16,621 --> 02:32:14,230
Farrell's you know very good very good

3689
02:32:18,900 --> 02:32:16,631
researcher and when he does speculate it

3690
02:32:22,501 --> 02:32:18,910
makes sense any bases off his research

3691
02:32:24,871 --> 02:32:22,511
he seems to be of the mind that we've

3692
02:32:27,270 --> 02:32:24,881
already collateralized the potential for

3693
02:32:28,980 --> 02:32:27,280
helium-3 on the moon and other other

3694
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:28,990
minerals and that we've already used

3695
02:32:35,511 --> 02:32:33,490
that as collateral against the dead it's

3696
02:32:38,041 --> 02:32:35,521
interesting who's all that money owed to

3697
02:32:40,680 --> 02:32:38,051
17 there 19 trillion dollars that were

3698
02:32:44,461 --> 02:32:40,690
this country's in debt who's a toe to

3699
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:44,471
the Rothchilds I guess actually there's

3700
02:32:54,331 --> 02:32:52,291
he's adding it up right now as we speak

3701
02:32:57,331 --> 02:32:54,341
maybe it's aliens they've come and

3702
02:32:59,970 --> 02:32:57,341
they've they've given us gold or

3703
02:33:01,831 --> 02:32:59,980
something and uh and we we're gonna have

3704
02:33:05,970 --> 02:33:01,841
to pay the galactic piper here at some

3705
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:05,980
point do you want money how about a

3706
02:33:09,421 --> 02:33:07,210
quick question for both of you guys

3707
02:33:10,680 --> 02:33:09,431
we'll give you a quick answer because we

3708
02:33:11,371 --> 02:33:10,690
only have about four and a half five

3709
02:33:14,070 --> 02:33:11,381
minutes left

3710
02:33:15,450 --> 02:33:14,080
all right after all the research that

3711
02:33:17,940 --> 02:33:15,460
you've done that you've come across all

3712
02:33:20,671 --> 02:33:17,950
the interviews etc what's your own

3713
02:33:23,011 --> 02:33:20,681
impression of the UFO phenomena is it

3714
02:33:25,320 --> 02:33:23,021
real is it man-made is it aliens

3715
02:33:26,001 --> 02:33:25,330
visiting what is it how about none of

3716
02:33:29,220 --> 02:33:26,011
the above

3717
02:33:31,310 --> 02:33:29,230
hmm I'm pretty flexible on this one I

3718
02:33:35,360 --> 02:33:31,320
think aliens would be the least likely

3719
02:33:37,381 --> 02:33:35,370
explanation in terms of galactic or

3720
02:33:39,001 --> 02:33:37,391
extraterrestrial I think we're dealing

3721
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:39,011
with something that is slipping through

3722
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:42,610
some sort of time or I hate to use the

3723
02:33:48,570 --> 02:33:45,610
the knee-jerk word dimensional but some

3724
02:33:50,310 --> 02:33:48,580
sort of parallel reality makes more

3725
02:33:53,100 --> 02:33:50,320
sense or other tenants in the building

3726
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:53,110
something's gg onyx um you know maybe

3727
02:33:57,661 --> 02:33:55,330
living in the mantle they discovered

3728
02:33:59,791 --> 02:33:57,671
vast oceans more larger or oceans in the

3729
02:34:03,421 --> 02:33:59,801
mantle than we have on the surface for

3730
02:34:05,430 --> 02:34:03,431
instance Edward Snowden supposedly

3731
02:34:08,220 --> 02:34:05,440
mentioned that we're monitoring deep

3732
02:34:11,881 --> 02:34:08,230
ocean trenches for activity coming in

3733
02:34:15,121 --> 02:34:11,891
and out of vents in the Marianas and

3734
02:34:17,100 --> 02:34:15,131
other places it was a brief article I

3735
02:34:18,261 --> 02:34:17,110
saw just one or two places and then it

3736
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:18,271
disappeared and I didn't see anybody

3737
02:34:21,751 --> 02:34:19,690
comment on it

3738
02:34:24,030 --> 02:34:21,761
supposedly the president gets that daily

3739
02:34:26,671 --> 02:34:24,040
or weekly briefing on activity and

3740
02:34:28,860 --> 02:34:26,681
events and stuff so you know I really

3741
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:28,870
think we should exhaust all closest

3742
02:34:34,621 --> 02:34:31,690
possibilities before we jump off planet

3743
02:34:36,001 --> 02:34:34,631
myself that is very very interesting you

3744
02:34:38,041 --> 02:34:36,011
know it's funny though because when we

3745
02:34:40,520 --> 02:34:38,051
look at it and we think of it if it were

3746
02:34:43,831 --> 02:34:40,530
man-made for example they would need

3747
02:34:45,780 --> 02:34:43,841
incredible resources for development I

3748
02:34:47,730 --> 02:34:45,790
mean he'd need incredible manufacturing

3749
02:34:49,740 --> 02:34:47,740
resources that you assume would be

3750
02:34:52,650 --> 02:34:49,750
tracked on a certain level so I've

3751
02:34:54,631 --> 02:34:52,660
always eliminated the man-made aspect in

3752
02:34:56,970 --> 02:34:54,641
terms of the entire phenomena that could

3753
02:34:58,711 --> 02:34:56,980
be a small portion of it but it's

3754
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,721
interesting you know whenever I hear

3755
02:35:04,411 --> 02:35:01,120
about these cases where they flatten the

3756
02:35:06,360 --> 02:35:04,421
grass around where they land and then

3757
02:35:09,091 --> 02:35:06,370
when you go there 20 years later nothing

3758
02:35:12,390 --> 02:35:09,101
grows I think that's a key to where

3759
02:35:13,921 --> 02:35:12,400
they're coming from and I'm not saying I

3760
02:35:15,930 --> 02:35:13,931
have the answer on that but I think that

3761
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:15,940
that's a very interesting physical clue

3762
02:35:20,461 --> 02:35:17,530
there pair of physical they're not

3763
02:35:22,980 --> 02:35:20,471
always totally manifest I think and this

3764
02:35:24,990 --> 02:35:22,990
is something that I really learned to

3765
02:35:26,581 --> 02:35:25,000
embrace from Jacques Vallee you know

3766
02:35:29,160 --> 02:35:26,591
there's too many cases of them blinking

3767
02:35:31,950 --> 02:35:29,170
in and out of existence ray Stanford has

3768
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:31,960
compressed you know it has 52 frames per

3769
02:35:38,970 --> 02:35:35,650
second film footage where objects travel

3770
02:35:41,070 --> 02:35:38,980
eight miles in 152nd of a frame and loom

3771
02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:41,080
up close to the airliner he was filming

3772
02:35:45,690 --> 02:35:43,330
out of the window and then in a 50

3773
02:35:49,860 --> 02:35:45,700
second of a second it's back in its

3774
02:35:53,461 --> 02:35:49,870
original position near a mothership

3775
02:35:55,140 --> 02:35:53,471
where had docked apparently there may be

3776
02:35:57,211 --> 02:35:55,150
some time compression going on here

3777
02:35:59,700 --> 02:35:57,221
these objects may be moving around a lot

3778
02:36:02,480 --> 02:35:59,710
faster than we can consciously perceive

3779
02:36:05,970 --> 02:36:02,490
I do think that there is a military

3780
02:36:09,751 --> 02:36:05,980
their exotic military drone technology

3781
02:36:12,751 --> 02:36:09,761
for instance that can mimic the high G's

3782
02:36:14,910 --> 02:36:12,761
turns but for instance I do think

3783
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:14,920
there's pilotless UAVs that sort of

3784
02:36:19,410 --> 02:36:17,200
thing that they light up to see how

3785
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:19,420
people respond to them so there is some

3786
02:36:24,900 --> 02:36:22,000
site psychotronic elements here with the

3787
02:36:27,390 --> 02:36:24,910
military I believe based on my work in

3788
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:27,400
the San Luis Valley I'm positive that I

3789
02:36:32,190 --> 02:36:30,160
saw even conventional aircraft lit up to

3790
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:32,200
look unconventional for instance that's

3791
02:36:36,121 --> 02:36:34,000
pretty much where my head's at based on

3792
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:36,131
my my work I'm an experienced ER I've

3793
02:36:40,081 --> 02:36:38,290
seen the little guys close up impersonal

3794
02:36:42,990 --> 02:36:40,091
when I was very young so I know they're

3795
02:36:44,671 --> 02:36:43,000
real to some extent they never told me

3796
02:36:47,131 --> 02:36:44,681
where they came from I never got

3797
02:36:48,541 --> 02:36:47,141
abducted to my knowledge you know I

3798
02:36:50,820 --> 02:36:48,551
think the jury's gonna be out for a long

3799
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:50,830
time on this Daniel please tell our

3800
02:36:53,610 --> 02:36:52,000
listeners if they want to get more

3801
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:53,620
information about the dark journalists

3802
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:55,290
work can they check you out

3803
02:37:00,211 --> 02:36:58,000
absolutely it's at dark journalists comm

3804
02:37:02,280 --> 02:37:00,221
and also my youtube channel is

3805
02:37:05,341 --> 02:37:02,290
youtube.com forward slash dark

3806
02:37:06,511 --> 02:37:05,351
journalists and you know I would say you

3807
02:37:08,310 --> 02:37:06,521
can pretty much get everything that you

3808
02:37:10,381 --> 02:37:08,320
need at the website so that's why we

3809
02:37:13,171 --> 02:37:10,391
point everybody will definitely link to

3810
02:37:14,881 --> 02:37:13,181
that on the power gas Tom you can find

3811
02:37:18,810 --> 02:37:14,891
us on Twitter if you look for the power

3812
02:37:22,291 --> 02:37:18,820
cast you can find a pair of para casts

3813
02:37:24,030 --> 02:37:22,301
fan clubs on Facebook one's a group the

3814
02:37:25,950 --> 02:37:24,040
others a community you can decide which

3815
02:37:28,770 --> 02:37:25,960
one you like we have a youtube channel

3816
02:37:29,310 --> 02:37:28,780
that is still developing it's gonna take

3817
02:37:33,240 --> 02:37:29,320
a while

3818
02:37:35,430 --> 02:37:33,250
and don't forget Chris's site our

3819
02:37:37,501 --> 02:37:35,440
strange planet calm which we haven't

3820
02:37:40,350 --> 02:37:37,511
mentioned but he's been doing updates

3821
02:37:42,270 --> 02:37:40,360
lately our strange planet calm so you

3822
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:42,280
really want to check out that Chris's

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personal blog and one more thing we have

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3840
02:38:33,381 --> 02:38:31,681
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3841
02:38:35,361 --> 02:38:33,391
you for joining us Daniel on the para

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3843
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